EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[AM9]

It is impossible to hide from the quantity of comments online that say if brexit is cancelled there will be violence in the streets. Whether these people are keyboard warriors or serious remains to be seen. I sense the keyboard option.

Apart from the few idiots who just want a ruck, it's just threats designed to persuade some to give in to leavers. of course, the media like it as it gives them sensational headlines so in effect they can't really be relied on as a guide as to just how many would actually bother to turn up.
What might happen is that there could be a boycott of the next election or referendum if there is a second one as a fir of pique. That's just an indicator of their lack of foresight because their dissatisfaction with things would then get no official recognition.

 

[Giugiaro]

I'm rather curious to know just how well the UK would do in a No Deal scenario, either by crashlanding in March or have had preparations for that since Article 50 was triggered.

I wonder what happened to the stormy nature of the British that seemingly was able to plough through every hardship thrown at it?​

 

[birchesgreen]

Well that Blitz spirit thing is a bit of a myth to be honest

 

[Howardh]

I'm rather curious to know just how well the UK would do in a No Deal scenario, either by crashlanding in March or have had preparations for that since Article 50 was triggered.

I wonder what happened to the stormy nature of the British that seemingly was able to plough through every hardship thrown at it?​

I'm not for one moment suggesting Brexit will being "hardship" as in real hardship, the point I want to make is the British are flaming awful at dealing with the slightest problem. Lorry driver's strike? Tank gets to 3/4 so they queue for hours to fill up. No chicken in Chickens-R-Us (or whatever) - deluge facebook and twitter with complaints. Gawd help us if the Electricity's off so the great unwashed can't watch Eastenders - or United.
Police can't wade into water to rescue a kid/dog/lottery ticket, etc etc etc.
The one think I will give the Brits a plus is the way they cope with the railways
Yes, keyboard warriors may well be happy to bring on the "wartime spirit" but grief if they have to walk 100 yards to a standpipe.....

 

[krus_aragon]

Tank gets to 3/4 so they queue for hours to fill up. No chicken in Chickens-R-Us (or whatever) - deluge facebook and twitter with complaints. Gawd help us if the Electricity's off so the great unwashed can't watch Eastenders - or United.

At least they wouldn't be deluging Facebook and Twitter if all the power's off!

 

[Ianno87]

Well that Blitz spirit thing is a bit of a myth to be honest

Usually spouted by people who were born after WWII ended.

 

[The_Train]

I'm rather curious to know just how well the UK would do in a No Deal scenario, either by crashlanding in March or have had preparations for that since Article 50 was triggered.

I wonder what happened to the stormy nature of the British that seemingly was able to plough through every hardship thrown at it?​

It's the misguided belief that 'we are Britain and we are Great' that has lead us to this situation. I think people become blinkered by the fact that we played a part in winning 2 world wars and seem to think we are able to take an us against the world approach.

The reality is very different of course......as we are now finding out

 

[furnessvale]

This is a theoretical question as I know she won't - could May withdraw A50 but give notice that it could be restarted at any time, or would withdrawal be a fait accompli and would need a referendum to be restarted?

Given that remainers are constantly reminding everyone that the referendum was only advisory, why would it need another referendum to restart the process?

Just as a government so minded can, and has, taken us into the EU without a referendum, a government so minded can take us out without a referendum.

 

[fowler9]

Given that remainers are constantly reminding everyone that the referendum was only advisory, why would it need another referendum to restart the process?

Just as a government so minded can, and has, taken us into the EU without a referendum, a government so minded can take us out without a referendum.

The government can withdraw it without a vote from the public if the EU lets us I think. It would probably cause some unrest if they did.

 

[Senex]

What do we make of the way May, having lost a vote by a massive amount, seems to be going ahead as though very little has changed? She appears to think that no more than minor tinkering is required to her deal, that all her red lines should stand, that there should still be no talk of a customs union, and that there is no need to consult other parties except for a favoured few "senior parliamentarians" not involved in party leadership. Should we admire her determination and persistence, or should we condemn her blinkered approach, pig-headedness, arrogance, and anti-democratic behaviour?

 

[nidave]

Given that remainers are constantly reminding everyone that the referendum was only advisory, why would it need another referendum to restart the process?

Just as a government so minded can, and has, taken us into the EU without a referendum, a government so minded can take us out without a referendum.

It's to show that the public has either changed its mind based on new information or to confirm that they still want brexit. What type of brexit they want is a different question.
If people are so sure leave would still win they should be jumping at the opportunity to prove it... Don't you think.

The government can really pass any law it wants with a parlementy majority (and potentially having to amed or repeal laws which stop it from doing what it wants) That's what comes from having a sovereign government creating sovereign laws. They could declare brexit invalid, could decrimilize anything they want, give eberyone in the country a free trampoline. The possibilities are endless.

 

[birchesgreen]

What do we make of the way May, having lost a vote by a massive amount, seems to be going ahead as though very little has changed? She appears to think that no more than minor tinkering is required to her deal, that all her red lines should stand, that there should still be no talk of a customs union, and that there is no need to consult other parties except for a favoured few "senior parliamentarians" not involved in party leadership. Should we admire her determination and persistence, or should we condemn her blinkered approach, pig-headedness, arrogance, and anti-democratic behaviour?

Well she did the same after losing her majority last year, she spoke the next day like nothing had happened.
Corbyn isn't much better though. Both are psychopaths who seem to have little grasp of reality and we are suffering because of that.

 

[nlogax]

Should we admire her determination and persistence, or should we condemn her blinkered approach, pig-headedness, arrogance, and anti-democratic behaviour?

It's immediately obvious that May has learned nothing from last night's defeat and is intent on trundling along with the exact same shtick that lost her the vote.

Corbyn had it right when he dubbed May and co. a 'zombie government'. What he fails to grasp is that he leads a zombie opposition.

 

[Giugiaro]

At least they wouldn't be deluging Facebook and Twitter if all the power's off!

Give this person a medal!

 

[Walshy23]

am I right in saying a ’no deal’ Brexit would just lead us to WTO rules by default if that's what we've signed up to at some point?

 

[NSEFAN]

It's immediately obvious that May has learned nothing from last night's defeat and is intent on trundling along with the exact same shtick that lost her the vote.

Corbyn had it right when he dubbed May and co. a 'zombie government'. What he fails to grasp is that he leads a zombie opposition.

Zombie is a great choice of word, implying they are all in desperate need of brains

 

[EM2]

am I right in saying a ’no deal’ Brexit would just lead us to WTO rules by default if that's what we've signed up to at some point?

You are, yes.

 

[Giugiaro]

The media seems to suggest that the UK would default to WTO rules if it left the European block without a trade deal.

A quick look at the membership page of the UK on the WTO website seems to suggest that the UK is a member through the EU...?
https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm

I'm getting confused now...

 

[bnm]

Potential new government:

 

[A Challenge]

We have no confidence in HM government:
Aye: 306
Noe: 325

 

[Darandio]

Blimey, only 12 short.

 

[VioletEclipse]

Potential new government:
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Well I'd certainally prefer David Attenborough as PM than the current PM, my opinion at least.

 

[VioletEclipse]

Blimey, only 12 short.

That really isn't much of a majority...

 

[Spamcan81]

That really isn't much of a majority...

What else did you expect? All the opposition parties - were going to vote against the Tories and the DUP was going to vote with the Tories. It's not as though TM has a majority in the House.

 

[A Challenge]

Better than James Callaghan - lost by 1 vote.

Anyway, 202 + 432 = 634, 306 + 325 = 631.

 

[VioletEclipse]

Better than James Callaghan - lost by 1 vote.

Anyway, 202 + 432 = 634, 306 + 325 = 631.

Meaning three less people voted today than yesterday. Curious...

 

[EM2]

We have no confidence in HM government:
Aye: 306
Noe: 325

325+306=631. Add 7 Sinn Féin MPs=638. So twelve abstentions...
Also, 325 out of the 631 that did vote=51.5%

 

[dgl]

And can we really count the DUP motion of confidence? Paying somebody £1bn to side with you doesn't work.
Personally I think May is snookered, winning by just 12 votes does not show confidence to me.

 

[VioletEclipse]

And can we really count the DUP motion of confidence? Paying somebody £1bn to side with you doesn't work.
Personally I think May is snookered, winning by just 12 votes does not show confidence to me.

Me neither, but the PM still technically won so that fact will probably be used a lot in debates now...

 

[Giugiaro]

She won with as much majority as the "Leave" vote in the referendum, after a resounding NO to the government's exit deal. No mater what, the topic will still remain highly divisive, and probably steer towards a "No Deal" exit, as long as the civil war keeps raging inside parliament.

PS: This is getting more and more amusing to those watching from the outside