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Harbornite

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But morality is never an absolute, it's a cultural concept. Topless women on the beach tends to be a no-no in the US, fine in Spain, and stoning time in Kuwait.

Good point, but I suspect that the majority of folks in all three of the aforementioned countries would agree that bestiality is wrong. Most countries have banned it, although Denmark only did so last year!
 
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Good point, but I suspect that the majority of folks in all three of the aforementioned countries would agree that bestiality is wrong. Most countries have banned it, although Denmark only did so last year!

I believe it's still legal in some rural parts of Wales provided the perpetrator wears wellington boots.
 

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I believe it's still legal in some rural parts of Wales provided the perpetrator wears wellington boots.

Oi you cheeky git, I'm of Welsh descent and I shan't have my fatherland dragged through the dirt! <(

It's been illegal since 1977... the same year that domestic violence was outlawed in Scotland! :lol:
 

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Oi you cheeky git, I'm of Welsh descent and I shan't have my fatherland dragged through the dirt! <(

It's been illegal since 1977... the same year that domestic violence was outlawed in Scotland! :lol:

Not sure if you're joking, however Wonkypedia suggests it was made illegal in Norway as late as 2008, and last year in Denmark. In 13 US states it's was still legal in 2012.


This paper criticizes what they believe is a recent change
http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/cutteridgepaper.pdf

"It is apparent and important to acknowledge that man has engaged in bestiality
since the dawn of civilization, in almost every culture and place in the
world..."

The fact that the majority of presently existing Canadian and
American laws prohibiting zoophilia are unjust does not prove that any law
prohibiting zoophilia must be so. Prudence requires that we examine the
most commonly stated arguments in favour of such laws to ascertain if those
arguments are sufficiently compelling and in keeping with the established
fundamental principles of justice as to justify the existence of any such law.

I think it's fair to say that there's support out there for bestiality, and I suppose those against the rights of human beings would take that as a slippery slope argument. I don't buy the slippery slope argument is a valid argument in any situation (other than a literal slope that is slippery)
 

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What a bunch of losers! I know what they say about each to their own, but sometimes I don't buy that.
 

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Personally, I'm fine with transgender people and transgender loos.

However, when something like this comes up on the Guardian or BBC webpage I just think 'not this again'. I don't want to stop them from being what they want to be, but sometimes I want society to shut up about it. If you're being discriminated against in the workplace, then you should speak up, but if you're going to blag and brag on social media about your gender change, then please don't. Nobody really cares. :smile:
 

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However, when something like this comes up on the Guardian or BBC webpage I just think 'not this again'. I don't want to stop them from being what they want to be, but sometimes I want society to shut up about it. If you're being discriminated against in the workplace, then you should speak up, but if you're going to blag and brag on social media about your gender change, then please don't. Nobody really cares. :smile:



Most of what I see in the media these days is complaints about waiting times for Gender Identity Clinics (in England the waiting time for a first appointment ranges from 9 months-3 years), which I think is a valid complaint for a service that the NHS now recognises is included in the 18 weeks to treatment target, even if you ignore the negative impact it has on individuals mental health and general wellbeing.
 

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Personally, I'm fine with transgender people and transgender loos.

However, when something like this comes up on the Guardian or BBC webpage I just think 'not this again'. I don't want to stop them from being what they want to be, but sometimes I want society to shut up about it. If you're being discriminated against in the workplace, then you should speak up, but if you're going to blag and brag on social media about your gender change, then please don't. Nobody really cares. :smile:

Has anyone ever bragged about gender reassignment surgery? I mean, actually *bragged*?

It's a pretty major change in someone's life, so I don't really see why anyone should tell someone to shut up about it. Just don't read it if it bothers you.
 

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Transgender people are dangerous now, are they?

According to the Pope we are. :shock:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/21/pope-transgender-people-are-like-nuclear-weapons/


Isn't this exactly the reason why transgenders want their own toilets though ?

Maybe the OP doesn't understand that it is medically possible to be different, he is possibly referring to those who don't have a genetic disorder.

To clarify a bit - *some* people (notably nonbinary people - trans or otherwise) need access to gender neutral toilets for safety reasons, but not all of us. I've never had hassle using gendered loos, but respect the needs of those who prefer not to have to choose a binary option which doesn't align with either their core identity or how they present to others.


I'll reply now. Perhaps I've misunderstood the actual definition of genderism so was wide of the mark in my post. The point I was trying (unsuccessfully) to get at is that recently there has been a lot of talk about people not sure of their gender and this increased discussion has only served to make some people, who may not have thought anything about it otherwise, start doubting their gender.

Not at all - and I speak as someone who came out in 2001 and has since rebuilt my life and just got on with it. I've full legal recognition, so am considered female by the state (I now have a female birth certificate, passport etc.).

If you met me you'd probably not even notice me as I don't fit the stereotypes most people who aren't familiar with trans people have.

FWIW we don't generally "doubt" our gender - rather over time we come to accept what was always there. My mind was always binary female, but for years I couldn't accept that and tried to act "male" the way I was taught to by the society I saw around me (there really wasn't much alternative in the 1970s/80s). That hurt so much that I buried everything in layer upon layer of denial and distraction just so I could function, until it finally came crashing down and I accepted the inevitable (it was that or suicide. Seriously).

The reason more and more people are coming out now is because it is far safer to do so now than it used to be. Back in the day, once folks transitioned they hid for their own safety (witness what the News of the World did to Caroline Cossey in 1982). Nowadays, that's not as essential, and we have role models and ambassadors in the public eye (e.g Janet Mock, Laverne Cox, Paris Lees, Lana Wachowski etc.). On top of that, we're no longer isolated (there's a huge community of trans people on Twitter alone) and that helps too.

That all helps enormously, and for those of us who've been around for a while we've been saying for ages that more and more people would come out each year until the size of the true trans population (estimated by Prof Lynn Conway at something like 1 in 500 people) became apparent.

To put that in perspective, that means there should be well over 100,000 trans people in the UK alone. A mere 4000 or so of us were in Brighton for Trans Pride last month.

I'm out in my personal and professional lives so am happy to answer specific questions as long as they are reasonable.


Has anyone ever bragged about gender reassignment surgery? I mean, actually *bragged*?

It's a pretty major change in someone's life, so I don't really see why anyone should tell someone to shut up about it. Just don't read it if it bothers you.

I suspect that if anyone actually tried the results would probably be well over the Too Much Information threshold for most people (it can involve a lot of blood, pain and morphine, though also: teddy bears and duty free elephants...so there's that).

But suffice it to say that it was an experience you only want to go through once, and is both amazing and terrifying at the same time. It was brilliant, funny and horrible all at once.
 
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I suspect that if anyone actually tried the results would probably be well over the Too Much Information threshold for most people (it can involve a lot of blood, pain and morphine, though also: teddy bears and duty free elephants...so there's that).

I'm going to offer what I hope is a reasonable question about the process:

Duty free elephants?
 

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I'm going to offer what I hope is a reasonable question about the process:

Duty free elephants?

Yep! Souvenirs of the stuffed toy kind, courtesy of Bankok airport. :)

Though I did see a real elephant on the street in Chonburi one evening. At the time it was a novel sight, but with hindsight, I'm iffy about the ethics of using a wild animal in that way.

But I have to admit that its tail light (literally a red bike light strapped to its tail) was funny at the time.
 
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