GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

[fishquinn]

It appears that the 1015 Padd-Cardiff was 800011 and 800010 this morning instead of the booked HST. Anyone know why? Also, the morning Camarthen-Padd was an HST vice IET this morning.

 

[PHILIPE]

It appears that the 1015 Padd-Cardiff was 800011 and 800010 this morning instead of the booked HST. Anyone know why? Also, the morning Camarthen-Padd was an HST vice IET this morning.

Would be difficult to pinpoint individual trains as there are swaps and substitutions going on all day long. One reason is drivers not trained resulting in HST vice.

 

[StephenHunter]

At any rate, there seems to be a decent number of these running now. I saw 800 029 on Wednesday at Reading with covers on the seats, running an ECS service.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Does anyone know if there will be any Paddington to Newport ones for tomorrow (5th) from 1900 onwards?

 

[AlanFry1]

Does anyone know if there will be any diagrammed for Paddington-Truro Sunday 18th March?

 

[Mintona]

Does anyone know if there will be any diagrammed for Paddington-Truro Sunday 18th March?

No there won’t be

 

[AlanFry1]

No there won’t be

That's a shame, thanks!

 

[50031]

Does anyone know if there will be any diagrammed for Paddington-Truro Sunday 18th March?

IETs aren't introduced to the West Country until July

 

[SWTrainspottin]

10 coach diagrams

1A03 0600 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B12 0815 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L51 1056 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1B40 1345 London Paddington – Swansea
1L90 1729 Swansea – London Paddington

1C02 0630 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A10 0900 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B27 1115 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L65 1356 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1C22 1630 London Paddington – Taunton

1A09 0712 Taunton – London Paddington
1B25 1045 London Paddington – Swansea
1L71 1429 Swansea – London Paddington
1C25 1800 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A33 2030 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B94 2245 London Paddington – Swansea

1C01 0519 London Paddington – Swansea via Bristol Temple Meads
1L48 0929 Swansea – London Paddington
1C15 1300 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A23 1530 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B69 1745 London Paddington – Swansea

1L42 0730 Carmarthen – London Paddington
1B31 1215 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L68 1455 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1C24 1730 London Paddington – Taunton
1A37 2127 Taunton – London Paddington

1L08 0458 Swansea – London Paddington
1C06 0830 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A14 1100 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B37 1315 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L74 1556 Cardiff Central – London Paddngton
1C26 1830 London Paddington – Weston-super-Mare
2M70 2134 Weston-super-Mare – Bristol Temple Meads

1L38 0759 Swansea – London Paddington
1C13 1200 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A21 1430 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B59 1645 London Paddington – Swansea
1L96 2029 Swansea – London Paddington

1B05 0645 London Paddington – Swansea
1L52 1029 Swansea – London Paddington
1C17 1400 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A25 1630 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B79 1845 London Paddington – Swansea

(STP diagram only)
1L24 0629 Swansea – London Paddington
1B22 1015 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L60 1255 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1B51 1545 London Paddington – Swansea
1L94 1929 Swansea – London Paddington

5 coach diagrams

1W12 0547 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P22 0825 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington
1W23 1122 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P33 1355 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington

1W14 0652 London Paddington – Great Malvern
1P25 0954 Great Malvern – London Paddington
5P25 1247 London Paddington – Old Oak Common Reception
5W29 1312 Old Oak Common Reception – London Paddington
1W29 1421 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P42 1726 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington

1W19 0921 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P29 1200 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington

1W33 1622 London Paddington – Great Malvern
1P47 1942 Great Malvern – London Paddington

 

[Siemens Staines]

This weekday diagram has also been 800 for the past couple of weeks or so

1L24 0629 Swansea - Paddington
1B22 1015 Paddington - Cardiff
1L60 1256 Cardiff - Paddington
1B51 1545 Paddington - Swansea
1L94 1929 Swansea - Paddington

 

[Envoy]

Have they taken 800’s off some of the original diagrams as the lists above appear to indicate that has happened? I could understand additional services now appearing as 800’s but not the fact that some of the original diagrams would revert to HST’s?

 

[ajay1071]

Noted the following departures from Swansea this morning.
1L38 0759. Swansea - Paddington was HST opperated
The following were all IEP opperated
1L08 0458 Swansea - Paddington
1L24 0629. Swansea - Paddington
1L42. 0730 Carmarthen - Paddington (5 car Carm - Swan, 10 Swan - Padd)

 

[PHILIPE]

Noted the following departures from Swansea this morning.
1L38 0759. Swansea - Paddington was HST opperated
The following were all IEP opperated
1L08 0458 Swansea - Paddington
1L24 0629. Swansea - Paddington
1L42. 0730 Carmarthen - Paddington (5 car Carm - Swan, 10 Swan - Padd)

The 0730 Carmarthen to Paddington has been an IEP for weeks now.

 

[Clarence Yard]

The LTP passenger workings for the 800 are (from today) as follows;

5 cars (4 diagrams)

1W33, 1P47.
1W14, 1P25, 1W29, 1P42.
1W19, 1P29.
1W12, 1P22, 1W23, 1P33.

10 cars (8 diagrams)

1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, IL90.
1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22.
1A09, 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
1L42, 1B31, 1L68, 1C24, 1A37.
1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26.
1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.
1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.

When the problems with the Carmarthen coupling and electronic re-boot were on, on some days the IET was put on an alternative diagram, which was due to come in full time on 26th March anyway. This diagram is also used STP if engineering work requires it, such as this week when Mon to Thurs it is substituting for the diagram starting 1L38. The diagram is;

1L24, 1B22, 1L60, 1B51, 1L94.

 

[ajay1071]

The 0730 Carmarthen to Paddington has been an IEP for weeks now.

The 1L42 0730 Carmarthen - Paddington has been a bit hit and miss as a IEP sevice. I observed it last week (Mon - Fri) and it was opperated by HST, it was an IEP Saturday last the 10th, before that the last time it was an IEP was Friday 26th January, and then it departed from Swansea only. Seems to have issues with the two units coupling up, as was the case this morning (departed 40 late). There is presently 2 split 5 car IEP units at Maliphant Depot and 2x5 car unit in the station resady to form the delayed 1L52 1029 Swansea - Paddington.

 

[ajay1071]

1L52 .1029 Swansea - Paddington IEP now cancelled, now running 5L52 1135 Swansea - Paddington empty stock move. Not a good day for IEP services departing Swansea today.

 

[PHILIPE]

The LTP passenger workings for the 800 are (from today) as follows;

5 cars (4 diagrams)

1W33, 1P47.
1W14, 1P25, 1W29, 1P42.
1W19, 1P29.
1W12, 1P22, 1W23, 1P33.

10 cars (8 diagrams)

1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, IL90.
1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22.
1A09, 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
1L42, 1B31, 1L68, 1C24, 1A37.
1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26.
1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.
1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.

When the problems with the Carmarthen coupling and electronic re-boot were on, on some days the IET was put on an alternative diagram, which was due to come in full time on 26th March anyway. This diagram is also used STP if engineering work requires it, such as this week when Mon to Thurs it is substituting for the diagram starting 1L38. The diagram is;

1L24, 1B22, 1L60, 1B51, 1L94.

Thanks as always for the update to the ever changing scenario.

 

[ajay1071]

More problems with IEP services at Swansea, 1L90 1729 Swansea - Paddington cancelled (central door locking issues).
This is the third IEP opperated services from Swansea cancelled today.
Others cancelled were
1L48 0929 Swansea - Paddington
1L52 1029 Swansea - Paddington

 

[ValleyLines142]

The 1L42 0730 Carmarthen - Paddington has been a bit hit and miss as a IEP sevice. I observed it last week (Mon - Fri) and it was opperated by HST, it was an IEP Saturday last the 10th, before that the last time it was an IEP was Friday 26th January, and then it departed from Swansea only. Seems to have issues with the two units coupling up, as was the case this morning (departed 40 late). There is presently 2 split 5 car IEP units at Maliphant Depot and 2x5 car unit in the station resady to form the delayed 1L52 1029 Swansea - Paddington.

Was a HST on 29th Jan too.

 

[ValleyLines142]

10 coach diagrams

1A03 0600 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B12 0815 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L51 1056 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1B40 1345 London Paddington – Swansea
1L90 1729 Swansea – London Paddington

1C02 0630 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A10 0900 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B27 1115 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L65 1356 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1C22 1630 London Paddington – Taunton

1A09 0712 Taunton – London Paddington
1B25 1045 London Paddington – Swansea
1L71 1429 Swansea – London Paddington
1C25 1800 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A33 2030 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B94 2245 London Paddington – Swansea

1C01 0519 London Paddington – Swansea via Bristol Temple Meads
1L48 0929 Swansea – London Paddington
1C15 1300 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A23 1530 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B69 1745 London Paddington – Swansea

1L42 0730 Carmarthen – London Paddington
1B31 1215 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L68 1455 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1C24 1730 London Paddington – Taunton
1A37 2127 Taunton – London Paddington

1L08 0458 Swansea – London Paddington
1C06 0830 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A14 1100 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B37 1315 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L74 1556 Cardiff Central – London Paddngton
1C26 1830 London Paddington – Weston-super-Mare
2M70 2134 Weston-super-Mare – Bristol Temple Meads

1L38 0759 Swansea – London Paddington
1C13 1200 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A21 1430 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B59 1645 London Paddington – Swansea
1L96 2029 Swansea – London Paddington

1B05 0645 London Paddington – Swansea
1L52 1029 Swansea – London Paddington
1C17 1400 London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads
1A25 1630 Bristol Temple Meads – London Paddington
1B79 1845 London Paddington – Swansea

(STP diagram only)
1L24 0629 Swansea – London Paddington
1B22 1015 London Paddington – Cardiff Central
1L60 1255 Cardiff Central – London Paddington
1B51 1545 London Paddington – Swansea
1L94 1929 Swansea – London Paddington

5 coach diagrams

1W12 0547 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P22 0825 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington
1W23 1122 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P33 1355 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington

1W14 0652 London Paddington – Great Malvern
1P25 0954 Great Malvern – London Paddington
5P25 1247 London Paddington – Old Oak Common Reception
5W29 1312 Old Oak Common Reception – London Paddington
1W29 1421 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P42 1726 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington

1W19 0921 London Paddington – Worcester Foregate Street
1P29 1200 Worcester Foregate Street – London Paddington

1W33 1622 London Paddington – Great Malvern
1P47 1942 Great Malvern – London Paddington

Are we absolutely certain about 1B94 though? When I went to catch it from Paddington last week it was a HST. Same with 1B15 (which was a shame as that was an 800 two weeks before!)

 

[PHILIPE]

Are we absolutely certain about 1B94 though? When I went to catch it from Paddington last week it was a HST. Same with 1B15 (which was a shame as that was an 800 two weeks before!)

Take Post #704 as the true picture. They often change over for one reason or another.

 

[ajay1071]

Take Post #704 as the true picture. They often change over for one reason or another.

The 1B94. Paddington - Swansea has been a regular 800 since Mon 29th Jan, noted exceptions were Fri 2/2, Thur 8/2, Sat 10/2 which were HST opperated.

 

[ajay1071]

The 1L42 0730 Carmarthen - Paddington was a 800 today (hst yeterday) seems to be no coupling or door issue's today at Swansea as it departed just 3 down,
The 1L38 Swansea - Paddington has yet to be 800 opperated though.

 

[ValleyLines142]

The 1B94. Paddington - Swansea has been a regular 800 since Mon 29th Jan, noted exceptions were Fri 2/2, Thur 8/2, Sat 10/2 which were HST opperated.

Well that's really annoying because I was in London last Monday (5th), and I tweeted GWR and they told me it was a HST!

 

[JN114]

Well that's really annoying because I was in London last Monday (5th), and I tweeted GWR and they told me it was a HST!

Diagrams change.

 

[FGW_DID]

The 1B94. Paddington - Swansea has been a regular 800 since Mon 29th Jan, noted exceptions were Fri 2/2, Thur 8/2, Sat 10/2 which were HST opperated.

Well that's really annoying because I was in London last Monday (5th), and I tweeted GWR and they told me it was a HST!

Which it probably was! Just because Ajay1071 noted an HST on certain dates doesn’t mean every other day has seen an IET!
Units may fail, an HST may be substituted for part of a diagram due to staff unavailability/ unfamiliarity etc etc.

 

[Clarence Yard]

And SX changes may happen because of engineering work, especially to first and last trains as they have to come from/go to their designated depots for their mandatory maintenance downtime.

 

[D1009]

I'm pretty sure the midweek block this week from 2200 at Swindon will have amended some diagrams.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Which it probably was! Just because Ajay1071 noted an HST on certain dates doesn’t mean every other day has seen an IET!
Units may fail, an HST may be substituted for part of a diagram due to staff unavailability/ unfamiliarity etc etc.

Alright chill, I just thought they were actual listings for every day!

 

[ajay1071]

Alright chill, I just thought they were actual listings for every day!

Since Tue 23rd Jan i have made notes of the arrivals and departures from Swansea, listing all thoes opperated by the 800's. From that date i have noted the 1B94 2245. Paddington - Swansea on 19 occasions majority visually, of those 19 occasions 15 have been opperated by the 800's. So in response to your original posting #710 "Are we absolutely certain about the 1B94", i think we can assume that the 1B94 is infact a regular 800 service. As mentioned by other posters things are a bit fluid at the moment on certain 800 services with sort term notice cancellations or substitutions withr HST's due to various reasons. By the way my records show that the 1B94 was an 800 on Mon 5/2.