GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I probably wasn’t me then. I was at the London end when it came in then ran to the West End to board the front unit.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Deleted. Improved and relocated down below.

 

[wbm00]

According to Realtime Trains (8th january) these are the following weekday IET workings out of Paddington from January:

How do you tell which services are IETs? I've only seen "High Speed Train (HST125)."

 

[ainsworth74]

How do you tell which services are IETs? I've only seen "High Speed Train (HST125)."

Using RTT (for example here) track the ECS moves and then follow the diagrams. I.e. if an ECS arrives into Platform 1 at Paddington from North Pole IEP depot and the next service booked out of Platform 1 is to Swansea then it's a safe bet that that's booked to be IEP. You can also track the headcodes as they usually follow. So the ECS from North Pole is say 5W14 and then there's a service in the near future with headcode 1W14 then, again, it's a reasonable bet that that service will be an IEP. When it gets to Swansea you follow it in the same way to work out whats the next service going back that will be an IEP.

 

[wbm00]

Using RTT (for example here) track the ECS moves and then follow the diagrams. I.e. if an ECS arrives into Platform 1 at Paddington from North Pole IEP depot and the next service booked out of Platform 1 is to Swansea then it's a safe bet that that's booked to be IEP. You can also track the headcodes as they usually follow. So the ECS from North Pole is say 5W14 and then there's a service in the near future with headcode 1W14 then, again, it's a reasonable bet that that service will be an IEP. When it gets to Swansea you follow it in the same way to work out whats the next service going back that will be an IEP.

Fantastic - thanks very much!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Not sure why some of the existing diagrams are not included in the January list.
The 0600 Bristol TM-Paddington (1A03) starts from Stoke Gifford as now, then forms the 0815 Paddington-Cardiff.
Plus all the other legs of that diagram.
Does the list just reflect the new diagrams rather than the totality?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

How do you tell which services are IETs? I've only seen "High Speed Train (HST125)."

Look for a train going from North Pole to London Paddington. Look what platform it goes into and look for the next GWR service out of that platform.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

To some extent there is a 'reset' of IET diagrams from January 02nd. I might be wrong, but that list does not look complete.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Using RTT (for example here) track the ECS moves and then follow the diagrams. I.e. if an ECS arrives into Platform 1 at Paddington from North Pole IEP depot and the next service booked out of Platform 1 is to Swansea then it's a safe bet that that's booked to be IEP. You can also track the headcodes as they usually follow. So the ECS from North Pole is say 5W14 and then there's a service in the near future with headcode 1W14 then, again, it's a reasonable bet that that service will be an IEP. When it gets to Swansea you follow it in the same way to work out whats the next service going back that will be an IEP.

It's not always correct if it's says it's coming from North Pole straightaway but it could be likely obviously if it forms a Bristol Temple Meads or Swansea once arrived at Pad. The way to confirm is to confirm that when it's diagram ends, it goes back to an IET depot so that'll be either North Pole or Stoke Gifford. You can usually tell this for sure on the day before service once everything on RTT has been activated. For example, RTT could say the diagram starts at North Pole but then ends it's diagram in St Phillips Marsh, in which case you cannot tell if it's IET or HST operated or not. This is usually activated as I previously said the day before, so your best bet is to look then. I made a mistake a few weeks back of writing out IET diagrams for a Sunday a few days before Sunday and there were two diagrams that said they were starting and ending at Stoke Gifford but then on Saturday, these two diagrams were moved to St Phillips Marsh so were not IET operated. This is why if you ever want to find out the working of an IET, your best bet is to check the day before as then it's more accurate information.

 

[ainsworth74]

Thanks for the extra info to clarify things I was trying to give a brief summary but you've helped clear things up even further

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Thanks for the extra info to clarify things I was trying to give a brief summary but you've helped clear things up even further

No problem, glad I could've been some help.

 

[wbm00]

Thanks all. In terms of the "service code" I noticed that this appears to remain the same:

IEP Depot to PAD
PAD to SWA
SWA to PAD

I'm wondering whether that would work as a way of tracking an IEP. Perhaps one day the term HST 125 will only be used when it is an HST on the route.

 

[JonathanH]

Thanks all. In terms of the "service code" I noticed that this appears to remain the same:

IEP Depot to PAD
PAD to SWA
SWA to PAD

I'm wondering whether that would work as a way of tracking an IEP. Perhaps one day the term HST 125 will only be used when it is an HST on the route.

The thing is that the timetables class 800s are working to are all based on point to point timings for IC125s because the timetables have not changed. When a new timetable is developed for class 80x it will be based on point to point timings for those units.

 

[Clarence Yard]

The thing is that the timetables class 800s are working to are all based on point to point timings for IC125s because the timetables have not changed. When a new timetable is developed for class 80x it will be based on point to point timings for those units.

That timetable (which has already been developed on the provisional 800D and 800E point to points) is the “December 2018” one. The “real” 800D and 800E point to points are actually going through compilation and NR acceptance now so that GWR can bid compliantly by the March priority date deadline for Dec. 2018 timetable bids.

Until that timetable is in the timing load for IET sets in passenger service will remain as HST125.

 

[ValleyLines142]

800017+800018 on 1A04 0633 from Bristol this morning.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

Thanks all. In terms of the "service code" I noticed that this appears to remain the same:

IEP Depot to PAD
PAD to SWA
SWA to PAD

I'm wondering whether that would work as a way of tracking an IEP. Perhaps one day the term HST 125 will only be used when it is an HST on the route.

Your current hope of tracking an IET (not IEP, thats the program name) is by checking RTT a day before you want to know. If you look at the IET depots (North Pole and Stoke Gifford) and set the timing to all day, you'll see all IET diagrams to/from that depot and the service they form to/from will obviously be IET operated if you follow it's diagram on RTT. Unless of couse, you can ask a staff member who are able to provide you with likely information. What services are you trying to find that are IET operated? I believe right now weekend diagrams change most weekends but weekday diagrams remain the same throughout the week and so on.

 

[Kite159]

According to Realtime Trains (8th january) these are the following weekday IET workings out of Paddington from January:

0520 Swansea

0547 Worcester Foregate Street

0630 Bristol Temple Meads

0652 Great Malvern

1115 Cardiff Central

1122 Worcester Foregate Street

1250 Oxford

1300 Bristol Temple Meads

1421 Worcester Foregate Street

1622 Great Malvern

1630 Taunton

1700 Bristol Temple Meads

1745 Swansea

I'm disappointed there isn't anything later (i.e. after 7pm when off-peak tickets are valid to travel towards Reading)

 

[SWTrainspottin]

I'm disappointed there isn't anything later (i.e. after 7pm when off-peak tickets are valid to travel towards Reading)

You can always travel on one on the weekend, if you did not know already that they have started weekend diagrams, however I believe they're changing every weekend at the moment. Last Saturday, there were 5 diagrams out.

 

[spark001uk]

I'm disappointed there isn't anything later (i.e. after 7pm when off-peak tickets are valid to travel towards Reading)

Personally, I'd make use of the slowly dwindling hst fleet, there's plenty of time for iet for years to come.

 

[50031]

I'm disappointed there isn't anything later (i.e. after 7pm when off-peak tickets are valid to travel towards Reading)

Yes there's still the initial 1st 6 diagrams. Those listed above are the new diagrams from January. Does the 1900 out of Reading count as off peak or not? Then you have the 1930 to Weston-Super-Mare and 2045 to Bristol TM

 

[50031]

Not sure why some of the existing diagrams are not included in the January list.
The 0600 Bristol TM-Paddington (1A03) starts from Stoke Gifford as now, then forms the 0815 Paddington-Cardiff.
Plus all the other legs of that diagram.
Does the list just reflect the new diagrams rather than the totality?

Definitely new diagrams.

 

[Kite159]

Yes there's still the initial 1st 6 diagrams. Those listed above are the new diagrams from January. Does the 1900 out of Reading count as off peak or not? Then you have the 1930 to Weston-Super-Mare and 2045 to Bristol TM

Ah good, I was thinking those would be the diagrams come January

19:00 isn't off-peak to Reading, but the 19:30 is (and connects nicely with a Basingstoke shuttle)

 

[ValleyLines142]

Lots of complaints on Twitter regarding last night's 2045 Paddington to Bristol being formed of 2 x 800s but with only one set in use due to only one TM available. I know GWR can't operate both units but in all honesty I can see the frustration being wedged on what essentially is a train 3 carriages shorter than what it replaced and with an additional unit being locked OOU carting fresh air.

 

[irish_rail]

Lots of complaints on Twitter regarding last night's 2045 Paddington to Bristol being formed of 2 x 800s but with only one set in use due to only one TM available. I know GWR can't operate both units but in all honesty I can see the frustration being wedged on what essentially is a train 3 carriages shorter than what it replaced and with an additional unit being locked OOU carting fresh air.

I would expect this to crop up relatively frequently going forward, one of the many draw backs of operating a fleet of lots of 5 car units.

 

[Clarence Yard]

To sum up the January SX diagrams, here goes. The diagram numbers are not the actual ones. All the SX passenger workings listed underneath, by reporting number.

Firstly - the 180 replacement diagrams , 2 from 02/01/18 and 2 from 15/01/18. Meant to be first two, last two in date order but it could all change if no agreement with LTV drivers for the Oxfords is reached or the north Cotswolds station validation gets further delayed.

1) 1P80, 1W14, 1P25, 1D26, 1P32, 1W33, 1P47.
2) 1W12, 1P22, 1W23, 1P33, 1D34, 1P41, 1D38, 1P46.
3) 1K05, 1D15, 1P19, 1D22, 1P28, 1W29, 1P42.
4) 1D13, 1P16, 1W19, 1P29, 1W31, 1P45.

Secondly - the longer distance diagrams, all 5 car and everything is reset from 02/01/18. Start or end locations shown for the portion working.

5) 1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, 1L90, 1D41, 1P50.
6) 1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, 1L90.
7) 1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22 (TAU).
8) 1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22 (BRI).
9) 1A09 (TAU), 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
10) 1A09 (BRI), 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
11) 1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
12) 1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
13) 1L42 (CMN), 1B31, 1L68, 1C24 (BRI).
14) 1L42 (SWA), 1B31, 1L68, 1C24 (TAU), 1A37 (TAU).
15) 1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26 (BRI).
16) 1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26 (WSM), 2M70, 1A37 (BRI).

Then on 12th February the following should start;

17) 1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.
18) 1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.
19) 1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.
20) 1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.

Hope this is useful and apologies in advance for any typos.

 

[Filton Bank]

Firstly - the 180 replacement diagrams , 2 from 02/01/18 and 2 from 15/01/18. Meant to be first two, last two in date order but it could all change if no agreement with LTV drivers for the Oxfords is reached or the north Cotswolds station validation gets further delayed.

Presumably dependent too on LTV drivers being trained to drive 800s, which hasn't happened yet.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

To sum up the January SX diagrams, here goes. The diagram numbers are not the actual ones. All the SX passenger workings listed underneath, by reporting number.

Firstly - the 180 replacement diagrams , 2 from 02/01/18 and 2 from 15/01/18. Meant to be first two, last two in date order but it could all change if no agreement with LTV drivers for the Oxfords is reached or the north Cotswolds station validation gets further delayed.

1) 1P80, 1W14, 1P25, 1D26, 1P32, 1W33, 1P47.
2) 1W12, 1P22, 1W23, 1P33, 1D34, 1P41, 1D38, 1P46.
3) 1K05, 1D15, 1P19, 1D22, 1P28, 1W29, 1P42.
4) 1D13, 1P16, 1W19, 1P29, 1W31, 1P45.

Secondly - the longer distance diagrams, all 5 car and everything is reset from 02/01/18. Start or end locations shown for the portion working.

5) 1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, 1L90, 1D41, 1P50.
6) 1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, 1L90.
7) 1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22 (TAU).
8) 1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22 (BRI).
9) 1A09 (TAU), 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
10) 1A09 (BRI), 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
11) 1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
12) 1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
13) 1L42 (CMN), 1B31, 1L68, 1C24 (BRI).
14) 1L42 (SWA), 1B31, 1L68, 1C24 (TAU), 1A37 (TAU).
15) 1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26 (BRI).
16) 1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26 (WSM), 2M70, 1A37 (BRI).

Then on 12th February the following should start;

17) 1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.
18) 1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.
19) 1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.
20) 1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.

Hope this is useful and apologies in advance for any typos.

Thanks for clarifying the rest.

 

[Railperf]

That timetable (which has already been developed on the provisional 800D and 800E point to points) is the “December 2018” one. The “real” 800D and 800E point to points are actually going through compilation and NR acceptance now so that GWR can bid compliantly by the March priority date deadline for Dec. 2018 timetable bids.

Until that timetable is in the timing load for IET sets in passenger service will remain as HST125.

For Dec 2018 onwards, clearly 800E point to points should be quicker than existing HST 125 timings, but how will the 800D point to points compare? Are any of the 800D timings going to be improved over HSt125 timings? If so, between which points? And I mean net SRT's, not gross timings which include bags of recovery time. Is there any evidence to support lesser dwell times being allowed for too?

 

[SWTrainspottin]

To sum up the January SX diagrams, here goes. The diagram numbers are not the actual ones. All the SX passenger workings listed underneath, by reporting number.

Firstly - the 180 replacement diagrams , 2 from 02/01/18 and 2 from 15/01/18. Meant to be first two, last two in date order but it could all change if no agreement with LTV drivers for the Oxfords is reached or the north Cotswolds station validation gets further delayed.

1) 1P80, 1W14, 1P25, 1D26, 1P32, 1W33, 1P47.
2) 1W12, 1P22, 1W23, 1P33, 1D34, 1P41, 1D38, 1P46.
3) 1K05, 1D15, 1P19, 1D22, 1P28, 1W29, 1P42.
4) 1D13, 1P16, 1W19, 1P29, 1W31, 1P45.

Secondly - the longer distance diagrams, all 5 car and everything is reset from 02/01/18. Start or end locations shown for the portion working.

5) 1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, 1L90, 1D41, 1P50.
6) 1A03, 1B12, 1L51, 1B40, 1L90.
7) 1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22 (TAU).
8) 1C02, 1A10, 1B27, 1L65, 1C22 (BRI).
9) 1A09 (TAU), 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
10) 1A09 (BRI), 1B25, 1L71, 1C25, 1A33, 1B94.
11) 1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
12) 1C01, 1L48, 1C15, 1A23, 1B69.
13) 1L42 (CMN), 1B31, 1L68, 1C24 (BRI).
14) 1L42 (SWA), 1B31, 1L68, 1C24 (TAU), 1A37 (TAU).
15) 1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26 (BRI).
16) 1L08, 1C06, 1A14, 1B37, 1L74, 1C26 (WSM), 2M70, 1A37 (BRI).

Then on 12th February the following should start;

17) 1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.
18) 1L38, 1C13, 1A21, 1B59, 1L96.
19) 1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.
20) 1B05, 1L52, 1C17, 1A25, 1B79.

Hope this is useful and apologies in advance for any typos.

Would it be okay if I posted this somewhere else too? Credit will be given of course.

 

[CC 72100]

Personally, I'd make use of the slowly dwindling hst fleet, there's plenty of time for iet for years to come.

Absolutely! (Ok, IET is the future and we'll all just live with that, but let's enjoy the final swansong of the HST operating the lions share of long-distance work out of Pad whilst it lasts).