GWR Loco Hauled Stock

[co-tr-paul]

It isn't. Converting 11 sets is very much on.

Nobody in management has told us anything down here since july - thanks for the update !!

 

[Clarence Yard]

There's 6 meant to go to LM, plus those 5 leaves 3 unallocated. Do you know if there's anything afoot with them?

Yes, deal to keep them on GWR in the short term being put together now. All subject to DfT approval.

 

[507021]

I've just read an article on RAIL's website which reports that there are to be "up to three" locomotive hauled sets entering service with GWR next May, with these sets to be operated on the Cardiff to Taunton route. It also states in the article that the sets will consist of up to four carriages.

More interestingly however, it states that the locomotive hauled sets will be displacing Class 150s and Class 153s to Northern ahead of the May 2017 timetable change, although I thought Northern were only gaining Class 150s from GWR. I know London Midland are due extra 153s to replace their three 150s, but as far as I know the London Midland 150s aren't going to Northern until 2019. Can anybody shed any light on this at all?

Thanks in advance.

 

[RobShipway]

I've just read an article on RAIL's website which reports that there are to be "up to three" locomotive hauled sets entering service with GWR next May, with these sets to be operated on the Cardiff to Taunton route. It also states in the article that the sets will consist of up to four carriages.

More interestingly however, it states that the locomotive hauled sets will be displacing Class 150s and Class 153s to Northern ahead of the May 2017 timetable change, although I thought Northern were only gaining Class 150s from GWR. I know London Midland are due extra 153s to replace their three 150s, but as far as I know the London Midland 150s aren't going to Northern until 2019. Can anybody shed any light on this at all?

Thanks in advance.

There is an article in the current Rail magazine on page 28 that seems to suggest that the MK3 coaches from the class 442 sets could be adapted to be local hauled and be made ready for 2020 regulation after refurbishment for the Cardiff to Taunton service.

Apologies, to those that think 'Oh god not another Class 442 thread', but this time it is 'Rail Magazine' suggesting this use not me!

 

[47802]

There is an article in the current Rail magazine on page 28 that seems to suggest that the MK3 coaches from the class 442 sets could be adapted to be local hauled and be made ready for 2020 regulation after refurbishment for the Cardiff to Taunton service.

Apologies, to those that think 'Oh god not another Class 442 thread', but this time it is 'Rail Magazine' suggesting this use not me!

The Loco Hauled next May are meant as temp cover for the disappearing 150 for Northern until enough Turbo units are cascaded not sure why they are suggesting 153's to Northern.

I believe the Loco Hauled 442 idea is meant to be a longer term solution and an alternative to the proposed HST Short Sets.

Of course GWR Traction plan seems to change on an Hour by Hour basis so who knows whats happeing now.

 

[BestWestern]

I had to chuckle; if 442 trailers are indeed utilised, which of the many staunch haters will be first to set up a 'Class 442 Apologies & Grovelling' thread, I wonder?!

 

[RobShipway]

I had to chuckle; if 442 trailers are indeed utilised, which of the many staunch haters will be first to set up a 'Class 442 Apologies & Grovelling' thread, I wonder?!

Indeed, as I did mention within the thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=127422 that the only use after being withdrawn Southern that the class 442's could be used for was on loco hauled services. I think I did mention about just using the trailer cars as well.....

 

[DasLunatic]

The biggest problem with the Pretendolino is only 1 Brake Van (DVT) so only can form 1 train.

I thought the Pretendolino had been subsumed into the Greater Anglia pool...

 

[fgwrich]

I thought the Pretendolino had been subsumed into the Greater Anglia pool...

Isn't it off to TransPennine?

 

[D6975]

Isn't it off to TransPennine?

Yes, the pretendolino is off to TP initially for crew training on 68s.

The set does(did) have 2 DVTs contrary to popular belief. There was a spare allocated for use with it, but I don't think it was ever called on.

 

[RobShipway]

Isn't it off to TransPennine?

I thought it was already with TransPenine for testing with a class 68 loco?

 

[43096]

The set does(did) have 2 DVTs contrary to popular belief. There was a spare allocated for use with it, but I don't think it was ever called on.

Did. There are no DVTs going to TPE.

 

[Cowley]

What would the likely traction be for the Taunton - Cardiff trains? Is it likely to be 57s?

 

[cactustwirly]

More likely to be a 67 or 37

 

[47802]

More likely to be a 67 or 37

67 I presume your were taking the P*** when you mentioned 37's.

 

[RobShipway]

67 I presume your were taking the P*** when you mentioned 37's.

Could it not be class 68's?

 

[Bungle965]

More likely to be a 67 or 37

I hope you are joking when you mentioned 37s, you only have to look at the reliability of the 37s on the Cumbrain Coast to rule out that out!
I feel that it would either be 67s or 68s, 68s would probably be preferable due to their qucik acceleration, and their cleaner engines.
Sam

 

[hwl]

I think there was an off topic mention on the Class 88 thread that TPE where looking for more 68s or an option had been exercised inthe last month or so?

 

[D6975]

Did. There are no DVTs going to TPE.

Yes, forgot to add that TP pretendolino use will be T and T 68s, so lack of DVT is irrelevant anyway.

 

[CosherB]

Yes, the pretendolino is off to TP initially for crew training on 68s.

The set does(did) have 2 DVTs contrary to popular belief. There was a spare allocated for use with it, but I don't think it was ever called on.

Both former Pretendolino DVTs (82101 and 82126) are at Loram Derby for remedial work for their owners - DRS.

See first line.

 

[Cowley]

I hope you are joking when you mentioned 37s, you only have to look at the reliability of the 37s on the Cumbrain Coast to rule out that out!
I feel that it would either be 67s or 68s, 68s would probably be preferable due to their qucik acceleration, and their cleaner engines.
Sam

I feel a day out in Cardiff coming on

Thanks for the replies guys.

 

[Kite159]

Imagine the noise from a 68 through the tunnel

 

[cactustwirly]

I hope you are joking when you mentioned 37s, you only have to look at the reliability of the 37s on the Cumbrain Coast to rule out that out!
I feel that it would either be 67s or 68s, 68s would probably be preferable due to their qucik acceleration, and their cleaner engines.
Sam

How reliable is the Norwich set?

 

[PHILIPE]

I think would be 67s as there a number spare and GWR and train crews have already had previous experience with them over the route.

 

[fgwrich]

I think would be 67s as there a number spare and GWR and train crews have already had previous experience over the route.

More so because DB desperately needs some work for a class where half are already in storage!

 

[59CosG95]

More so because DB desperately needs some work for a class where half are already in storage!

I'm fairly sure DB signed the contract for it too, so it seems ideal for 67s to be used.

 

[Mintona]

I think would be 67s as there a number spare and GWR and train crews have already had previous experience with them over the route.

I don't think past experience will have any sway whatsoever. Unless they've worked on the stock within the last 12 months, then it won't be on traction cards.

 

[PHILIPE]

I don't think past experience will have any sway whatsoever. Unless they've worked on the stock within the last 12 months, then it won't be on traction cards.

Would they require a full conversion course or just a refresher ?

 

[Bungle965]

How reliable is the Norwich set?

Certainly more reliable than the 37 set, during the last month the additional set has covered for the 37 set, run extra trips and has even had a trip out on the mainline to Colchester covering for failed main line sets. Obviously this is in no doubt helped by the fact that the 68s are new engines, not 50 years old like the 37s are.
Sam

 

[Mintona]

Would they require a full conversion course or just a refresher ?

A full course. At Bristol West, for example, the depot is probably 85% drivers who weren't around last time engine and coaches were used.