GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

[hexagon789]

Cheap and ugly, but in service after hopefully a few months (once Wabtec get up to speed) rather than a few years. I'd rather have an ugly train than a short formed train or none at all.

True, and I rather have an HST over a 170 anyday!

 

[PaxmanValenta]

Does anyone know anyone know what’s happening to the toilets on these HSTs? If the sliding door recess is in the way then it means no toilets at all on these trains? Even Pacers have toilets.

 

[hexagon789]

Does anyone know anyone know what’s happening to the toilets on these HSTs? If the sliding door recess is in the way then it means no toilets at all on these trains? Even Pacers have toilets.

The ScotRail HSTs will retain all the toilet compartments except for one removed for cycle storage and one for the buffet counter. However a maximum of one toilet per vehicle will be in use as only one end of the vehicle can accomodate a retention tank.

 

[YorkshireBear]

A cheaper, easier and lower risk solution has been developed. One that allows hsts to stay in service providing more capacity. Yes not perfect but a good compromise based on various factors.


And still we criticise at every opportunity. No wonder people dont want to be involved in engineering in this country anymore. I despair.

 

[hexagon789]

A cheaper, easier and lower risk solution has been developed. One that allows hsts to stay in service providing more capacity. Yes not perfect but a good compromise based on various factors.


And still we criticise at every opportunity. No wonder people dont want to be involved in engineering in this country anymore. I despair.

Well as you say, not everyone solution is perfect, hence why people criticise.

 

[D1009]

I think the primary advantage is to meet the PRM compliance, the other is a side benefit.

Having examined the set at Exeter on Monday night, I couldn't see a wheelchair accessible toilet.

 

[plymothian]

Having examined the set at Exeter on Monday night, I couldn't see a wheelchair accessible toilet.

There isn't one currently.

 

[hexagon789]

There isn't one currently.

Are the current accessible trailers not up to scratch then?

 

[AnthonyRail]

When does in go in passenger service?

 

[hexagon789]

When does in go in passenger service?

I was under the impression they already had

 

[43096]

Are the current accessible trailers not up to scratch then?

The disabled toilet is at the wrong end so can’t be fitted with a retention tank. It’ll be easier and cheaper to “start again” and convert a normal TS with disabled toilet at the right end.

 

[hexagon789]

The disabled toilet is at the wrong end so can’t be fitted with a retention tank. It’ll be easier and cheaper to “start again” and convert a normal TS with disabled toilet at the right end.

I see, I hadn't realised that. Is there a reason why they were fitted at the "wrong" end to start with? Was it just they didn't think at the time they'd be in service long enough to be fitted with retention tanks?

 

[Connor43002]

When does in go in passenger service?

Next Monday i've heard

 

[hexagon789]

Next Monday i've heard

I thought they had, wrongly it would seem. Weren't they supposed to start in December?

 

[PHILIPE]

I thought they had, wrongly it would seem. Weren't they supposed to start in December?

Last September

 

[RPI]

We had a briefing at work stating that the first set won't have an accessible toilet but all of the sets delivered afterwards will

 

[hexagon789]

We had a briefing at work stating that the first set won't have an accessible toilet but all of the sets delivered afterwards will

Is that simply due to delays in the refurbishment and the desire to get sets into traffic as soon as possible?

 

[43096]

We had a briefing at work stating that the first set won't have an accessible toilet but all of the sets delivered afterwards will

Correct. 48111 is actually from set 4. 48103 will be the TSD for set 1 and will go to Wabtec with set 5.

Total conversions are 11 sets, plus four spare vehicles (2 TGS and 2 TSD).

Currently there are two vehicles for GWR at Wabtec: 42102 (to be 48104; for set 2) and 44079 (to be 49112; spare TGS).

 

[hexagon789]

Correct. 48111 is actually from set 4. 48103 will be the TSD for set 1 and will go to Wabtec with set 5.

Total conversions are 11 sets, plus four spare vehicles (2 TGS and 2 TSD).

Currently there are two vehicles for GWR at Wabtec: 42102 (to be 48104; for set 2) and 44079 (to be 49112; spare TGS).

How many spare power cars, do you know at all?

 

[43096]

How many spare power cars, do you know at all?

24 power cars allocated. Number of spares depends on how many sets are in service - I'd guess at 9 or 10 sets in service daily, so either 4 or 6 spare power cars.

 

[hexagon789]

24 power cars allocated. Number of spares depends on how many sets are in service - I'd guess at 9 or 10 sets in service daily, so either 4 or 6 spare power cars.

Thank you

 

[HSTEd]

If we are going to have a surplus of otherwised scrapped HSTs, 2+5 sets might do nicely for extra capacity on Sprinter trains.... although the lack of differentials might be an issue.

 

[The Ham]

If we are going to have a surplus of otherwised scrapped HSTs, 2+5 sets might do nicely for extra capacity on Sprinter trains.... although the lack of differentials might be an issue.

Journey times could still be fairly comparable if the 2+5's are better at getting to their top speed, even if they can't go as fast. (See the debate about Pacers Vs 230's).

One place that they could work could be on the SWR services to Exeter (although would probably need a 2+6). Yes you couldn't run then into/out of Waterloo in the peaks, but there could be some diagrams for which they could work.

For instance:
07:10 Waterloo - 10:40 Exeter
10:54 Exeter - 13:50 Waterloo
14:20 Waterloo - 17:42 Exeter
18:02 Exeter - 21:18 Waterloo

Just that one diagram would probably release a pair of 159's for use elsewhere (although possibly only only one as SWR would probably swap the pair from that diagram to replace two diagrams run by their 158's to then use that pair of 158's to run more 10 coach services which would release one 159 for use elsewhere).

In reality of guess that there's probably only 3 diagrams that could be released. The likelihood is that SWR wouldn't give up any more units to others than they could get away with (see above for where they'd get used). As such there may not be much extra for the rest of the network, but it would mean they wouldn't be looking to gain extra units from other parts of the network to provide a similar level of capacity enhancements.

 

[Goldfish62]

We had a briefing at work stating that the first set won't have an accessible toilet but all of the sets delivered afterwards will

As indeed they will all have to remain in service from January 2020. They also need a PIS. I wonder if this first set has that

 

[hexagon789]

As indeed they will all have to remain in service from January 2020. They also need a PIS. I wonder if this first set has that

Do any HST trailers have a PIS at the moment?

 

[Goldfish62]

Do any HST trailers have a PIS at the moment?

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[hexagon789]

Not that I'm aware of.

I thought there wasn't.

 

[gordonjahn]

Do any HST trailers have a PIS at the moment?

The CrossCountry ones do

 

[hexagon789]

The CrossCountry ones do

Never been on anything XC but one of their 220s.

 

[rebmcr]

Are the doors controlled using the same signals as the CDL-fitted HST trailers, or is there a new system (maybe with better SDO support)?