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GWR's recent declining performance?
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@Parallel Where do you find these train formation updates? Is this from TyrellCheck or from a public accessible website?
Mintona
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Cheers, not seen that one before.
And what a sorry tale it all is there (not just formations)! Is it like this every day?
PHILIPE
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All but, for almost a year now
Kite159
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Could be worse, could be 150202 or 150125/126 with the high density 3+2 airline seating with no legroom.
cactustwirly
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But at least there's more chance of a seat...
Kite159
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A nice small middle or window seat with hardly any legroom...
Most passengers would prefer to stand if all that's left is middle seats on 3+2 services
Added to which a Class 166 (0600 Exeter St Davids - Bristol Parkway) was sent on its first passenger run of the day with insufficient fuel. Two engines ran dry after Tiverton Parkway. The third didn't have the oomph to get the unit up to Whiteball Summit and the train stalled.
A rescue unit was sent from Bristol with a driver who didn't sign beyond Taunton. A freight driver at Taunton offered to pilot the rescue unit but this was declined by GWR Control. A driver was finally found, and the rescue unit collected the out of fuel train and took it back to Taunton. Arriving 134 minutes later than scheduled.
Knock on delays, cancellations and starts/terminated short for both GWR and CrossCountry.
It beggars belief that a train can be put into service for its first passenger run of the day with insufficient fuel.
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165/6s are stabled overnight in the platform at Exeter St David's; they don't touch the depot for fueling or tanking as the depot can't accept them.
150207 has fairly high density 3+2 seating with minimal leg room. The only difference is that it’s Chapman seating (also no arm rests, tables or flip down tables).
This photo was taken a week ago:
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Oh god.
There was also the incident last week when a 158 locked its brakes on at Trowbridge and got stuck there for over three hours, blocking the line. I wonder why it took so long to get it moving again, Trowbridge isn’t in the middle of nowhere!
PHILIPE
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They have had a gauging test on Exeter Depot but obviously not cleared then?
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PHILIPE
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There were other trains about but with so many of them on the route now Turbos it's not so easy to drop straight onto a 15x, to which Turbos can't couple, to assist and the Turbos presence on the line would have blocked potential assistance reaching it.
Kite159
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My bad, for some reason I had that one down as being the 3+2 seating arranged more in bays like some of the other Northern 150s
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Reported elsewhere that it's not as simple as that. Unit was stabled overnight in Exeter St. David's as booked and wasn't supposed to go onto depot. Apparently the unit has a history of one car going back to idle, so the other two end up doing more work. You can probably guess the rest...
... So with such a history it'd be important to check fuel levels before going into service?
Surely the least worst option is to cancel the service if there's a chance of running out of fuel. Rather than risk making it back to a fueling point, breaking down en route with passengers aboard, and blocking the line for over two hours causing knock on cancellations, delays and diversions.
Surely the least worst option is to cancel the service if there's a chance of running out of fuel. Rather than risk making it back to a fueling point, breaking down en route with passengers aboard, and blocking the line for over two hours causing knock on cancellations, delays and diversions.
cactustwirly
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Says who?
I don't recall any 166s having that problem, and surely it would have been fixed before being sent to Exeter.
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Says people on another forum who are actually involved with them.
cactustwirly
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Before the January TT change I travelled on 165s and 166s extensively for a number of years, and never had that problem.
What unit was it?
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166204 quoted.
Can it get any worse.......
18:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 21:44
18:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 21:44 will be reinstated.
It will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Portsmouth Harbour, Portsmouth & Southsea, Fratton, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central, Romsey, Salisbury, Warminster and Dilton Marsh.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Will be formed of 1 coach instead of 3.
Last Updated:16/08/2018 15:57
18:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 21:44
18:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 21:44 will be reinstated.
It will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Portsmouth Harbour, Portsmouth & Southsea, Fratton, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central, Romsey, Salisbury, Warminster and Dilton Marsh.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Will be formed of 1 coach instead of 3.
Last Updated:16/08/2018 15:57
I wonder how many coaches will be for the 1923 which now has to take all the pax from Pompey to Westbury, who were left behind from the 1823?
Not the first time this has happened either. May have been last year that I saw Casper (153305) working a Westbury - Cardiff Central train at around 11:36 at Bath IIRC. Was busy despite starting at Westbury. Unit made it to Cardiff and back to Bristol again when it was swapped for a 150/1.
Also 17:30 Weymouth - Bristol formed of 2 coaches vice 5 today...
Now advertised as being formed of 7 coaches instead of 4 due to a shortage of train crew.
19:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 22:56
Facilities on the 19:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 22:56.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Will be formed of 7 coaches instead of 4.
https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/
Also, is this diagram booked as 4 coaches normally? I've seen it listed on JC a few times as being 3 instead of 4. What is it meant to be? A combination of 158766 or 158763 and a 150?
PHILIPE
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Now advertised as being formed of 7 coaches instead of 4 due to a shortage of train crew.
19:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 22:56
Facilities on the 19:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 22:56.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Will be formed of 7 coaches instead of 4.
https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/
Also, is this diagram booked as 4 coaches normally? I've seen it listed on JC a few times as being 3 instead of 4. What is it meant to be? A combination of 158766 or 158763 and a 150?
It's been booked 4 carriages High Summer, 2 x 150s. The 158/0s should be at Exeter
PHILIPE
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1823 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff finished up with 2 Cars and the 153, 153325, ended up at Weymouth on it's own having had to take over 1640 from Gloucester
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