Hull Trains 802: Construction updates

[Bletchleyite]

Did they have to do pink grab-handles? Really cheapens what is quite a classy look.

 

[Nymanic]

LNER and GWR units have three windows blanked out for the kitchen space. On TPE and Hull Trains units, there's only two. I'd therefore expect little change on the catering front - or at least nothing more than is proposed on the new Transpennine fleets.

 

[Kurolus Rex]

Well something looking remarkably like a kitchen can be seen in this video of an HT 802, at 2.37.

As for future menus, we'll just have to wait and see what happens when all services are 802s. They can hardly change the food offer while a mixed train fleet with different kinds of catering equipment is still in use.

TPE also has the same two blocked out windows on one of the leading power cars. IIRC the LNER units have 3 blocked out windows. My guess is that the kitchen will be as big as the TPE ones, i.e a smaller downgraded version of the Azumas.

 

[westv]

LNER and GWR units have three windows blanked out for the kitchen space. On TPE and Hull Trains units, there's only two. I'd therefore expect little change on the catering front - or at least nothing more than is proposed on the new Transpennine fleets.

What have TPE proposed then?

 

[ainsworth74]

What have TPE proposed then?

No-one outside of TPE knows (I thought!!). There's an expectation that having fitted their trains with galleys (small ones but they've got ovens and what have you) that they'll be planning on doing something with them! But just as with HT no-one knows but there's an expectation that having procured a fleet with a more substantial kitchen than their 180s they'll be making use of it!

I don't think we can expect (for either company) to know more though until their fleets are actually rolled out.

 

[westv]

No-one outside of TPE knows (I thought!!). There's an expectation that having fitted their trains with galleys (small ones but they've got ovens and what have you) that they'll be planning on doing something with them! But just as with HT no-one knows but there's an expectation that having procured a fleet with a more substantial kitchen than their 180s they'll be making use of it!

I don't think we can expect (for either company) to know more though until their fleets are actually rolled out.

Ok. In the normal world there'd be a big fandango about what was "coming soon" on the catering front.

 

[Bletchleyite]

No-one outside of TPE knows (I thought!!). There's an expectation that having fitted their trains with galleys (small ones but they've got ovens and what have you) that they'll be planning on doing something with them! But just as with HT no-one knows but there's an expectation that having procured a fleet with a more substantial kitchen than their 180s they'll be making use of it!

I don't think we can expect (for either company) to know more though until their fleets are actually rolled out.

You would think so - unless DfT have demanded it for flexibility for future deployment? The present 1st offering could be done easily just using a trolley as it is on 185s.

 

[samuelmorris]

Did they have to do pink grab-handles? Really cheapens what is quite a classy look.

It is a return to First corporate barbie which I thought was being done away with on rail services. Presumably the ECT 803(?)s will be similar in that regard.

 

[xc170]

Given how First haven't used the Blue/Pink livery for any recent TOC they've operated, it's surprising to see it used on the new stock.

With how many issues HT have had over the past 12 months with the 180's, it's surprising they haven't gone for a mild rebrand.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

It is a return to First corporate barbie which I thought was being done away with on rail services. Presumably the ECT 803(?)s will be similar in that regard.

It’s definitely not Barbie, it’s Dynamic Lines. Barbie was the more dated one predecessing it

 

[57Tonic]

Well I am impressed with the new destinations along the side, Buckingham Palace, Carnaby Street and Stevenage indoor Market, can't wait to see it going along the Euston Road and the Mall.

 

[swt_passenger]

It is a return to First corporate barbie which I thought was being done away with on rail services. Presumably the ECT 803(?)s will be similar in that regard.

Isn’t it just like the more recent “First” dark blue, such as the high speed “dynamic lines” with the place names effectively replacing the lines?

I’d have thought “Barbie” was the much older livery?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Isn’t it just like the more recent “First” dark blue, such as the high speed “dynamic lines” with the place names effectively replacing the lines?

Yes, it is. I like it.

 

[samuelmorris]

Isn’t it just like the more recent “First” dark blue, such as the high speed “dynamic lines” with the place names effectively replacing the lines?

I’d have thought “Barbie” was the much older livery?

Sorry yes, dynamic lines is what I meant. See pink, think barbie. It's too easy

 

[Kurolus Rex]

Sorry yes, dynamic lines is what I meant. See pink, think barbie. It's too easy

Don't worry, you're not alone! I always assumed ''Barbie" was the same livery as Dynamic Lines, just a different name.

 

[westv]

Can I ask once more why the thread title doesn't mention "Paragon"? The LNER thread has been "Azuma" for à looong time. To stop confusion with the station name??
Anyway, Paragon seating plan and sample menu now on their website. The food offering seems no different to the stuff they do now with just a microwave so no idea what else they are going to do with the small kitchen. No different offering for the evening service either.

 

[jimm]

Can I ask once more why the thread title doesn't mention "Paragon"? The LNER thread has been "Azuma" for à looong time. To stop confusion with the station name??
Anyway, Paragon seating plan and sample menu now on their website. The food offering seems no different to the stuff they do now with just a microwave so no idea what else they are going to do with the small kitchen. No different offering for the evening service either.

Ask the moderators if they can change the thread title.

As for food, what exactly were you expecting? A silver service Pullman for the first class passengers?

Hull Trains is an open-access operation, where controlling costs is king, not something like the heavily-subsidised TfW services between North and South Wales where they can afford to pay a chef's wages to cook a handful of meals.

The HT website says the following, which indicates there will be new menu items and more menus offered on rotation, which sounds a bit, well, different from one menu all the time.

We are introducing a brand new First Class menu that will rotate on a weekly basis, featuring new options and old favourites. View a sample First Class menu here.

https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/your-experience/our-menus

 

[NoOnesFool]

Ask the moderators if they can change the thread title.

As for food, what exactly were you expecting? A silver service Pullman for the first class passengers?

Hull Trains is an open-access operation, where controlling costs is king, not something like the heavily-subsidised TfW services between North and South Wales where they can afford to pay a chef's wages to cook a handful of meals.

The HT website says the following, which indicates there will be new menu items and more menus offered on rotation, which sounds a bit, well, different from one menu all the time.



https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/your-experience/our-menus

According to the Allergen Guide, the hot meal offering will be noodles for Standard passengers.

 

[westv]

As for food, what exactly were you expecting?

A sample menu that gives an idea of maybe what we can expect once the whole fleet is out and running.
My statement that the sample menu on the website looks very much the same as before remains true.

 

[CR165022]

I have a question: will all of the 802s get the same vinals or will the places on them be different?

 

[GrimShady]

That looks awful if I'm honest.

Worse than awful!

 

[GrimShady]

That's deeply unfair and it's regrettable you feel it necessary to seize upon this for yet another irrational anti-First swipe. She is more bothered about customers than most directors. For one, HT not being a franchised operator means she has to be.

Hardly unfair. If they really cared they would have specified a decent interior.

Her attitude says it all, tough xxxx

 

[3973EXL]

5X98/5Q98 Eastleigh - Acton - Tyne
802302

 

[northernbelle]

Hardly unfair. If they really cared they would have specified a decent interior.

Her attitude says it all, tough xxxx

As a non-franchised operator, Hull Trains is well within its rights to specify its product exactly how it chooses. If you don't like it, travel by another means - perhaps the franchised operator on the same route 'care' more and have specified an interior of a much higher standard?

 

[43095john]

802301 has entered service today

1A93 1033 Hull - London KX
1H04 1348 London KX - Hull

 

[HullRailMan]

802301 has entered service today

1A93 1033 Hull - London KX
1H04 1348 London KX - Hull

External displays not working so nobody knows which coach is which. Baby steps....

 

[Crun]

I saw my first Hull Trains 802 heading south at speed through Peterborough Station during my lunch break today.

 

[Ianno87]

As a non-franchised operator, Hull Trains is well within its rights to specify its product exactly how it chooses. If you don't like it, travel by another means - perhaps the franchised operator on the same route 'care' more and have specified an interior of a much higher standard?

It's almost as if Hull Trains realise that actual, real passengers (as opposed ro enthisiasts) prefer the new ambience and facilities to the old one, and have made a rational business decision accordingly.

But that would be crazy talk, wouldn't it...

I saw a Hull Trains 80x heading south at speed through Peterborough Station during my lunch break today.

Yes, passed it as it was approaching Kings Cross about an hour ago. Passengers on and everything.

 

[Crun]

It's almost as if Hull Trains realise that actual, real passengers (as opposed ro enthisiasts) prefer the new ambience and facilities to the old one, and have made a rational business decision accordingly.

But that would be crazy talk, wouldn't it...



Yes, passed it as it was approaching Kings Cross about an hour ago. Passengers on and everything.

I have just seen an article in this weeks Rail magazine and the only Hull Trains Class 802/3 running at the moment is 802301.

 

[westv]

It's almost as if Hull Trains realise that actual, real passengers (as opposed ro enthisiasts) prefer the new ambience and facilities to the old one, and have made a rational business decision accordingly.

Until real passengers are using real trains we won't really have any idea what passengers prefer.