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Thameslink services are now operating on the Great Northern side.
For a Thameslink service through the new Canal Tunnels, surely?Why would u go to st Pancras for a gtr train to Peterborough???
Because that's where they go from...Why would u go to st Pancras for a gtr train to Peterborough???
Because that's where they go from...
Be thankful you even have a train!Second Monday in a row with no wifi on the morning service to London.
Sam7:27 London Kings Cross to Hull due 10:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Additional Information
Hull, Brough & Doncaster Customers are advised to travel on the LNER 0730 service from London Kings Cross to Doncaster arrive 0910. Then transfer onto a bus at 0910 to Hull and Brough.
Howden & Selby Customers are advised to travel on the LNER 0730 service from London Kings Cross to Doncaster arrive 0910. Then transfer into taxis from Doncaster at 0910 to Howden and Selby.
Retford Customers are advised to travel on the LNER 0730 service from London Kings Cross to Newark arrive 0845. Then transfer into taxis at 0845 to Retford.
Grantham Customers are advised to travel on the LNER 0733 service from London Kings Cross to Grantham arrive 0840.
3rd day in a row that they have announced a full service, and at the last minute reality hits again and there are cancelled services. As a passenger it just looks incompetent. Whats thr cause of today's cancellations ?Be thankful you even have a train!
Sam
They haven’t mended the trains.3rd day in a row that they have announced a full service, and at the last minute reality hits again and there are cancelled services. As a passenger it just looks incompetent. Whats thr cause of today's cancellations ?
But that one return trip would have had hundreds of passengers on it. It would have had a good amount more that delayed their journey from the 1033 or 1348 as they were also cancelled. It may have had a few other passengers from the 1709 that they started short or the 1912 that was cancelled but this is unlikely to be significant.
To then turn the last southbound (that wasn’t cancelled) round at Peterborough as it was running 70L and get people home 3 hours late just really grates on passengers. Given the suggestion above that the signal box closes after the Hull Trains service I find that difficult as there is a train from York that arrives in Bull after midnight.
I love that this is somehow the best thing someoe looking exclusively to defend Hull Trains can actually think of to say.
One unit short due to a fault, which has taken all weekend to bottom out.3rd day in a row that they have announced a full service, and at the last minute reality hits again and there are cancelled services. As a passenger it just looks incompetent. Whats thr cause of today's cancellations ?
I thought they ran with 1 spare to cover for problems like that.? Todays diagram looks to be for 2 units only.One unit short due to a fault, which has taken all weekend to bottom out.
I thought they ran with 1 spare to cover for problems like that.? Todays diagram looks to be for 2 units only.
If one unit is in long term repair, then running a 2 train diagram would make sense, untill all units are working as it allows for unepexted faults to be quickly covered .
The trouble is, what do you do? Do you attempt to operate a full service with three trains, in the hope that all three will work, or do you operate a two-train timetable, which may be a bit more robust, but potentially have a working train sitting idle. Seems to me that without the fourth train as a back up, HT are damned if they do, or damned if they don't.
The boxes don't close immediately after the last northbound HT service passes, but there is not much room for manouevre if it's late. Therefore there is a bigger tendency to 'cut and run' if there is risk of more than a minor delay to that service.
There are four 180s in the fleet, of which three are required to run a full service. The fourth is usually on planned maintenance exams, so other than a few days in each cycle (and only then when there is no unit on 'unplanned' maintenance), there is no spare unit so cancellations inevitably occur. The HST project is still underway, although with some hurdles yet to be cleared.Normally, that's the case - three diagrams with one spare. Unfortunately, HT only have three units available at present, so if any of the remaining units are failed for any reason (and we're talking 180's here which are notably prone to it), then the service gets reduced.
This is probably why HT are having such a rough time of it. The full service can be operated with three trains, but only if they are all working. Reliability is, shall we say, poor, at the moment and each time one of the three fails, that's the full service down the pan.
The trouble is, what do you do? Do you attempt to operate a full service with three trains, in the hope that all three will work, or do you operate a two-train timetable, which may be a bit more robust, but potentially have a working train sitting idle. Seems to me that without the fourth train as a back up, HT are damned if they do, or damned if they don't.
When the southbound (1709 ex Hull) arrives at KGX, the driver requires a break roughly equal to the time the unit is booked to stand at KGX before it returns north (I'm not sure of the exact duration required for their break). Therefore if the southbound is late, the northbound is also late unless two drivers can be rostered on - which does happen occasionally, but not as a rule. If the southbound is likely to encounter further delay between PBO and KGX (and likewise the northbound on its way back) then the case for turning it short is stronger.There’s over an hour. It makes little sense in my opinion to turn it at Peterborough in this situation. Even if they had to terminate the north bound at Doncaster it would have got passengers on what was already the last south bound of the day to London and it would have got London passengers at least to Doncaster.
As it stood, everyone going south was turfed off at Peterborough, where they were further delayed by 90 minutes. And the train would have been almost empty on the way north as most passengers won’t have made it.
I cannot see any benefit to doing this.
I guess it would be safe to say that is a MAJOR unrelated fault as it still won’t be in service tomorrow.So, it was discussed here that the train that had been off was reinstated and then failed with another MINOR unrelated fault. Yet 5 days and this minor fault doesn't seem to have been fixed? Are we sure its not just that they didn't fix the train last time?
Why would they? Its a stupid thing to say.I’ve openly offered to give £10 to charity for each day they run a full service starting this week up to Christmas if they give £10 for each day they don’t.
They didn’t respond.
I’ve openly offered to give £10 to charity for each day they run a full service starting this week up to Christmas if they give £10 for each day they don’t.
They didn’t respond.
Im not so sure. If they had any degree of confidence in their service being back to normal as per announcements then they'd agree. Even if they did miss the target once a donation to charity would be no bad thing.Why would they? Its a stupid thing to say.
Thats not the point, why announce that they expect things to back to normal and 6 days later they have failed to meet the expectation they setI’m not surprised that they didn’t respond. It’s not as if the cancellations are being done deliberately, or out of malice.
Why would they? Its a stupid thing to say.
Not sure that cancelling a train could be considered offensive in any way.I’d suggest constantly saying ‘this service is scheduled to run as normal’ and ‘we plan to operate a full service tomorrow’ Every single day and then letting everyone down again is several orders of magnitude more stupid. I wasn’t expecting a response of any kind.
If they have a fault on Thursday and say it’ll be fixed for Friday and it isn’t then it’s disappointing. People can however accept that repairs can overrun and the extra day may be required and services should be up and running the following day (in this case Saturday) . But as we are now 5 days after and no sign of a return to full service people feel it’s incredibly rude, offensive and patronising to have even had the nerve to suggest that a full service would have been in operation Friday when it hasn’t been fixed the following Wednesday.