Hull Trains HST

[GW43125]

Has this HST been modded to perform at same level of reliability as Class 180?

It was just homesick, scared of what Crofton might do to it!

 

[nat67]

Has this HST been modded to perform at same level of reliability as Class 180?

No I don't believe so, I just think Hull & Bristol can't get there act together. They have just sent up both sets and so they can still keep training on the other set. I thought by know they could have started service with a set by next week, that's a joke.

 

[Phlip]

Not a blanket ban, but it'll be key whether it's enough to notch up the risk score categorisation for the crossing or not. If it does, some sort of mitigation will have to be applied to bring it back down again (or some demonstration that the risk is as low as reasonably practicable with all sensible measures applied)

Point is, it's not enough to say it happens at other crossings so is fine here, each crossing is unique in its set up, usage and specific risks

So the solution is to send the train through and stick the passengers in a taxi to Doncaster? Because travelling by road is safer.

 

[Harpers Tate]

I dont think the HST is ordinarily cleared to Beverley, so it probably wont do all of that diagram.

There certainly were HST workings through Beverley way back in the 70s or 80s. There were odd excursions/charters, but for at least one (and possibly several) summer seasons the timetabled Glasgow <> Scarborough bucket & spade service ran in passenger service through to Bridlington and Hull (and back) and it used an HST. How relevant - I have no idea.

 

[rjchapma]

There certainly were HST workings through Beverley way back in the 70s or 80s. There were odd excursions/charters, but for at least one (and possibly several) summer seasons the timetabled Glasgow <> Scarborough bucket & spade service ran in passenger service through to Bridlington and Hull (and back) and it used an HST. How relevant - I have no idea.

I could not remember at the time where I found the info, but I've looked it out again - If you check the London North Eastern Sectional Appendix on the Network rail web site, it has the info (and lots more too)

Page 1106 (61K) line 4 restricts cl43 as follows 'Due to the condition of the track, locomotive hauled trains and light locomotives are prohibited. Engineering trains will be permitted subject to authorisation by the Infrastructure Manager’s track engineer'

Mk3 (incl HST plug door coaches) are cleared - line 24, page 1067/48G

Maps are on page 784 (110)

The sectional appendices can be found here:

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/indus...anies/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/

 

[cactustwirly]

43190+43165 have returned home to Bristol for maintenance. It's only done a few training runs. Plus 43190 dropped all its coolant apparently.

43165 + 43190 moved back to Hull today, from SPM

 

[nat67]

43165 + 43190 moved back to Hull today, from SPM

That's good they may have them in service next week.

 

[Hals]

43165 & 43190 have been out on driver training/familiarisation Hull - Peterborough and back today.

 

[Mag_seven]

There is a St Phillips Marsh - Hull Botanic Gardens path in for tomorrow (Thursday 14th Feb). Another set?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00748/2019/02/14/advanced

 

[reach123y]

Possibly the set returning that went down on Tuesday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91903/2019/02/12/advanced

 

[HullRailMan]

There is only one set, no plans for any more. It returns to Bristol for maintainence on a Tuesday and comes back to Hull on a Thursday.

 

[Mag_seven]

Possibly the set returning that went down on Tuesday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91903/2019/02/12/advanced

There is only one set, no plans for any more. It returns to Bristol for maintainence on a Tuesday and comes back to Hull on a Thursday.

That explains it - cheers.

 

[jimm]

No I don't believe so, I just think Hull & Bristol can't get there act together. They have just sent up both sets and so they can still keep training on the other set. I thought by know they could have started service with a set by next week, that's a joke.

I expect that after all the problems GWR endured through a shortage of IET-trained drivers at the end of 2017 and the first few months of last year, and Scotrail is currently having due to shortage of enough HST-trained drivers, Hull Trains want to make sure all of their small pool of drivers and train managers are able to work an HST before they put the set into traffic.

No good having it available if the rostered driver goes off sick and the only possible replacement driver isn't passed to work an HST, is it?

 

[rjchapma]

This new page has appeared of the last few days on the HT website. Hopefully they are getting closer to it being in service.

https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/travel-information/hst/

 

[_toommm_]

They've now specified that the HST won't stop at Beverley, Cottingham or Howden, instead providing taxis or alternate transport.

 

[Mag_seven]

There is a St Phillips Marsh - Hull Botanic Gardens path in for tomorrow (Thursday 14th Feb). Another set?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00748/2019/02/14/advanced

43190/43010 are the power cars.

 

[HullRailMan]

The rumour mill is suggesting that it will be in service either tomorrow or Saturday but my source isn't always the most accurate so don't hold me to it

 

[HullRailMan]

Looks like it's on the 0823 from Hull and 1148 from KX tomorrow

 

[43096]

There is only one set, no plans for any more. It returns to Bristol for maintainence on a Tuesday and comes back to Hull on a Thursday.

No, there are plans for two sets, which will alternate weekly - one set with Hull, one maintenance/spare at SPM. The second set is formed up: power cars 43020/023.

 

[43094]

1A92 & 1H03 are HST today.

 

[DaiGog]

Assuming all goes well today, 1531 HUL-KGX and 1948 KGX-HUL will be HST on Saturday 16th.

 

[SC43090]

Friday 15th February 2019

1A92 0823 Hull KX RTN on 1H03 1148 KX Hull was

43010 44034 42026 42024 40718 41018 43190

SC 43090

 

[E_Reeves]

43190 + 43010 on St Phillips Marsh to Botanic Gardens yesterday

 

[DaiGog]

As things stand, the HST is scheduled to work the following:
Friday 1/3/19: 0823 HUL-KGX, 1148 KGX-HUL, 1512 HUL-KGX, 1848 KGX-HUL (1848 will not run through to BEV)
Saturday 2/3/19: 0823 HUL-KGX, 1148 KGX-HUL, 1531 HUL-KGX, 1948 KGX-HUL
Sunday 3/3/19: 0906 HUL-KGX, 1258 KGX-HUL

 

[nat67]

Does anyone know what has happened to 43165 is it out for E exam?

 

[SC43090]

Saturday 2nd March 2019

1A92 0823 Hull KX RTN on 1H03 1148 KX Hull was

43190 41018 40718 42024 42026 44034 43010

SC 43090

 

[TBSchenker]

Good to see Hull Trains managed in a few months what TPE couldn't - introduction of Mark 3 coaches. The HST is an extra to aid performance given the dire reliability of 180s. The TPE Mark 3s were to assist driver training, yet many hurdles were fallen at .

 

[37201xoIM]

Good to see Hull Trains managed in a few months what TPE couldn't - introduction of Mark 3 coaches. The HST is an extra to aid performance given the dire reliability of 180s. The TPE Mark 3s were to assist driver training, yet many hurdles were fallen at .

Not just driver-training - also to provide extra capacity as a stopgap until new stock was introduced; unfortunately the TOC decided it couldn't be bothered, and the franchising body more or less shrugged its shoulders.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Probably also helps that a HST runs to and from Hull every day, so it's more of a "known quantity" to station staff and regular passengers.

 

[DaiGog]

HST has done 1512 HUL-KGX today and will return on 1848 KGX-HUL (unable to serve BEV). Tomorrow should see it work 0617 HUL-KGX / 0948 KGX-HUL / 1331 HUL-KGX / 1748 KGX - HUL.