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No...Do all trains have forward facing CCTV these days...?
No...Do all trains have forward facing CCTV these days...?
I'm pretty sure most (if not all) do
Sorry - I was referring to the posts that said they had no sympathy. You are correct and I overstated it.I don't think anybody genuinely believes that they DESERVED to die...
This is not the case.I'm pretty sure most (if not all) do
I'm pretty sure most (if not all) do
I saw a blue and white no clearance checkboard sign in the BBC coverage and my guessing is that the fixed steps on the side of the unit hit the one closest to the back of the unit and it caused a domino effect. Although there may have been more people involved.It could have been that they were 'hiding' as the unit passed and then got caught and entangled or even pushed up against various bits of infrastructure where clearance is limited.
Having no sympathy for the specific individuals involved is not the same as saying they deserved what they got. I have no more sympathy for people in these kinds of situations then I do for people that hang off buildings/cranes, ride bikes on a public road at 100+mph etc etc...their famalies yes, the services yes, the poor individuals that have been dragged into the situation or witnessed it yes...but not those that chose to put themselves in the such situations.
If you want to have sympathy for them fine, but don't judge others by your own morals.
By definition of them being on the tracks they were criminals.I don't understand how anybody knows they are criminals. You will probably be proved right but that has not been established and so I do think it is wrong to label the deceased as such when we do not know that. Personally, I see no need to go down that route even if they were spraying graffiti. It is a tragedy.
Incorrect but let's leave it at that.By definition of them being on the tracks they were criminals.
By definition of them being on the tracks they were criminals.
Nobody has said that.
People have said that they were criminals who shouldn’t have been on the tracks in the first place.
Putting alleged graffiti “artistry” aside, trespass on the railway is a criminal offence in and of itself.
In what way is it incorrect? Unless they were track workers then they were committing a criminal offence of trespassing on the railways thus making them by definition criminals...Incorrect but let's leave it at that.
Hoped everyone has upped security at stabling points tonight...
I assume the in-cab recording will be collected from the service involved, maybe that could shed some light on what really happened.
Do all trains have forward facing CCTV these days...?
I saw a blue and white no clearance checkboard sign in the BBC coverage and my guessing is that the fixed steps on the side of the unit hit the one closest to the back of the unit and it caused a domino effect. Although there may have been more people involved.
I don't understand how anybody knows they are criminals. You will probably be proved right but that has not been established and so I do think it is wrong to label the deceased as such when we do not know that.
In what way is it incorrect? Unless they were track workers then they were committing a criminal offence of trespassing on the railways thus making them by definition criminals...
Often there will be no choice as the staff involved would usually have to be interviewed by the ORR. A colleague of mine was involved in a similar incident where a person was hit by a train but it was not realised at the time; they were interviewed on two separate occasions after the event.Would it really be necessary to be telling the driver involved that it was their train? Surely it'd be best to avoid the bad feelings?
[Bromley Boy] effectively said above that [(s)he has] no sympathy for the three people who died today, or their friends and families.
Does every thread have to turn into a bitchfest? Three people have lost their lives yet still people are bickering over semantics. It’s pathetic really.
In what way is it incorrect? Unless they were track workers then they were committing a criminal offence of trespassing on the railways thus making them by definition criminals...
A criminal is someone convicted of a crime. Innocent until proven guilty.
(S)he won't miss the individuals, nor their graffiti. S(he) is not obliged to have sympathy. (S)he is not directing vitriol at the family members.
The people who turn these threads into a "bitchfest" are those who feel that the views of others who take a more pragmatic, less sympathetic view of the world should be suppressed.
They are spending time establishing the facts. The most important of these would include who they are, whether they were killed before they got to the track and if not whether they went there of their own volition or were pushed. If you don't do that then you're at risk of providing a handy way to murder people or dispose of bodies. All of the necessary enquiries are done and the site is cleared as quickly as possible. None of this is anything to do with being cruel or otherwise.As an ignorant foreigner l just say in many country of major Europe the simple rule is that if you are not authorized to cross (very popular in countryside) or walk on an open line and hit by a train, this is your responsibility even there will not be have so many police and forensic doctors spend time for body on the track, they just quick move the body and clean to restore train access. Don't say it is cruel.
For the UK the line are 100% close for public so the three people should be have 100% responsibility.
I didn't happen on the spur, though. It was on the main lines. Canterbury/Brixton spur is to the north, parallel at that point and a bit lower down.
I've no problem with people taking a pragmatic view, nor do I expect anyone to be obliged to express sympathy. In this case, though, someone is making a point of saying they have no sympathy.
The more directly offensive remarks seem to have been removed.
They are spending time establishing the facts. The most important of these would include who they are, whether they were killed before they got to the track and if not whether they went there of their own volition or were pushed. If you don't do that then you're at risk of providing a handy way to murder people or dispose of bodies. All of the necessary enquiries are done and the site is cleared as quickly as possible. None of this is anything to do with being cruel or otherwise.
Doesn’t make much difference, does it? Shouldn’t have been there, and I doubt the dead will be prosecuted. Forever innocent in your eyes?