kieron
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Of course it is. A Clapham-London ticket isn't valid to any of the southern London Terminals, though.Is this really valid?
Of course it is. A Clapham-London ticket isn't valid to any of the southern London Terminals, though.Is this really valid?
If you’re going to be that pedantic, a Clapham to London Terminals ticket isn’t valid via Watford, as Moor Park to Watford does not have any interavailability for NR ticketsOf course it is. A Clapham-London ticket isn't valid to any of the southern London Terminals, though.
When you buy a ticket to London, it says all terminals. If I want to travel from Brighton to St Pancras, I will as that's the station I bought the ticket to. My question was for the tube.
You are quite right, you will indeed travel to London St Pancras. That is because a ticket from Brighton to London St Pancras does NOT have the destination London Terminals on it; it has London St Pancras instead. It also has a route "Not Underground" meaning that it is valid through the central Thameslink core to reach St Pancras, but not via the Underground from (e.g.) London Victoria.
Unless it's a ticket to London Terminals, of course. Such tickets exist for route Any Permitted and route Thameslink Only.That is because a ticket from Brighton to London St Pancras does NOT have the destination London Terminals on it
Unless it's a ticket to London Terminals, of course. Such tickets exist for route Any Permitted and route Thameslink Only.
The OP said they use tickets to "London (all) Terminals" to travel to St Pancras. I think we've established that they are misusing a ticket that isnt valid at St Pancras, likely to be one of those I have mentioned.Not coming from points south for travel to St Pancras they don't, UIVMM?!
It's probably easier to learn Klingon than to understand London Terminals validity. It's long over due for sorting but pretty much all the London and South East regulated fares are based round the existing routeing and validity and the DfT simply doesn't have the capability for the kind of political decisions needed to untangle it so for the time being nothing's happening. However the opening of Crossrail and Thameslink's extension over the GN lines are going to make it even more baffling - consider, for example, Cambridge or Abbey Wood to Farringdon when both routes are fully operational, so I suspect (like quite a bit of the legacy BR fares structure that was fossilised in 1996) it's eventually going to collapse under its own contradictions and have to be updated.
I believe several screenshots have been posted around the internet showing TVMs at all sorts of stations issuing tickets to "London Terminals" where the journey actually crosses London on the Thameslink Core, and the ticket should be issued to "London Thameslink" or the named station.
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St Pancras is just a glitch, the ticket should not work the barriers and in reality is not technically valid.
The existing "fudge" for Thameslink only really works from the north.In the days before Thameslink it was reasonably straightforward as there were no National (British) Rail lines that crossed London. A fudge was made for Thameslink which does work.
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Just my thoughts - as @thedbdiboy says there isn’t the capability at the DfT to make the decision.
Problem is not everyone is prepared to accept the "existing validity"; Great Eastern mainline stations to London Terminals are valid into Kings Cross (via Highbury & Islington and Finsbury Park) by the rules but this is erroneously not listed in the (incomplete) data file list of "valid" terminals.It's probably easier to learn Klingon than to understand London Terminals validity. It's long over due for sorting but pretty much all the London and South East regulated fares are based round the existing routeing and validity and the DfT simply doesn't have the capability for the kind of political decisions needed to untangle it so for the time being nothing's happening. However the opening of Crossrail and Thameslink's extension over the GN lines are going to make it even more baffling - consider, for example, Cambridge or Abbey Wood to Farringdon when both routes are fully operational, so I suspect (like quite a bit of the legacy BR fares structure that was fossilised in 1996) it's eventually going to collapse under its own contradictions and have to be updated.
Good luck with that. There are prominent notices on the staircases at Clapham Junction, as you approach Platform 1 (whether that be via the footbridge or subway).This is all silly. So I can go from Clapham to Euston via Watford with a London terminals ticket but not from Brighton to St Pancras. If I buy a ticket from Brighton to St Pancras it will say London terminals on it in which case I'll travel to St Pancras.
It's probably easier to learn Klingon than to understand London Terminals validity.
But even there generally you're only valid as far as the first terminal you arrive at.
In general, it's not difficult to understand: it's valid to the first London Terminal you arrive at.
Thameslink isnt really an exception from this: from the North you can only go as far as St Pancras. From the south you can get to City Thameslink, but that's mostly because it replaced Holborn Viaduct, which was a London Terminal.
The tangle of lines on the south bank is a bit more complicated, especially being able to continue from Waterloo via Waterloo East to London Bridge or Charing Cross. But even there generally you're only valid as far as the first terminal you arrive at.
So this applies to nobody who travels to London Waterloo then as you have to pass Vauxhall to get there?
I'm sorry but at best that's just misleading, at worst downright wrong
But Old Street is. Validity to Vauxhall is useful for a lot of Kent commuters.Having Vauxhall as a London Terminal is stupid, imo. Finsbury Park isn't, which keeps things much easier.
But Old Street is.
The tangle of lines on the south bank is an exception, and I referred to London Bridge/Waterloo East.
The tangle of lines on the south bank is a bit more complicated, especially being able to continue from Waterloo via Waterloo East to London Bridge or Charing Cross. But even there generally you're only valid as far as the first terminal you arrive at.
I see you chose to ignore this.Someone commuting from Woking to Cannon Street will pass through Vauxhall, Waterloo, Waterloo East and London Bridge before getting to Cannon Street.
I see you chose to ignore this.
Thameslink isnt really an exception from this: from the North you can only go as far as St Pancras. From the south you can get to City Thameslink, but that's mostly because it replaced Holborn Viaduct, which was a London Terminal.
Do many people do this? I'd have thought most going from Surrey/Hants to the City are paying the extra to get the W&C line or the Red ArrowI see you chose to ignore this.