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Is this the new Eurostar :?:
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Crompton Karl
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Id put damn good money on that it was - no other countries in the EU require Yellow ends if i am not mistaken.
Crompton Karl
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I also think its the new Eurostar as its very close colour scheme to the latest Eurostar house colours. I doubt DB would move away from the white & Red.
Per another thread, yes it is.
starrymarkb
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Ireland and SNCB have adopted it as good practice...
But yes the caption to that picture on the original site was Velaro UK
IIRC the Velaro D (ICE4?) spent some time at Wildenwrath before unveiling. I suspect Siemens would rather throughly test the first one and iron out problems before the main production run
Fuzzy Logic
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A slightly stupid (but relevant) question...what loading gauge is the tunnel? Is it full European loading gague. If so, would there be the possibility of seeing duplex sets when the 373's are life expired. Obviously this is still a while off, but I was just wondering...
317666
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This is definitely a new Eurostar e320, it's the same design as the ICE-3NGs that DB will run through the tunnel on their own London - Germany services. They're both of the Siemens Velaro design. DB's are being/have been built first though as far as I can make out, as a few of theirs are already in service within Germany when Eurostar's first one is only being delivered.
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Siemens have been experiencing delays manufacturing them due to difficulties with a parts supplier (thankfully not as bad as the 172s though!) As well as Wildenrath they are also being tested on the main line, with one managing to achieve 352km/h on the Nürnberg - Ingolstadt high speed line. They've also been tested in France and approval is expected there in 2013, and in Belgium in 2014. (Information from German Wikipedia.)
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ICE-3NG
Siemens have been experiencing delays manufacturing them due to difficulties with a parts supplier (thankfully not as bad as the 172s though!) As well as Wildenrath they are also being tested on the main line, with one managing to achieve 352km/h on the Nürnberg - Ingolstadt high speed line. They've also been tested in France and approval is expected there in 2013, and in Belgium in 2014. (Information from German Wikipedia.)
starrymarkb
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The Tunnel is much bigger then European gauge to allow trucks to be carried on a flat floor above the bogies. Shuttle wagons are IIRC 6m from rail to roof. The Shuttle Locos are UIC gauge so compare the size!
HS1 is standard European gauge (being a French style LGV in design), so should be able to take most European high speed stock (excepting ICE's 1 and 2 which are a little wider then UIC gauge so may need special clearance if anyone ever decided to try and run one which isn't going to happen!)
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That will be the other reason for building the first set well in advance. They'll have to be passed for France, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany if all the destinations talked about are going to be served
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Definately a new Eurostar E320 Velaro set.
Seen by many at Siemens Rail as their prestige contract at present.
Seen by many at Siemens Rail as their prestige contract at present.
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Are the DB ICE-3NGs for the tunnel really being built before the E* ones? There were media reports about 6 months ago about delays to delivery of DBs ICEs for the tunnel which seemed to put the start date for DB STP-Koln etc services back after the E* STP-Koln etc. IIRC E* now starts late 2014 and DB 2015.
But maybe the E* start date has also been put back, and is still after DB.
Could also be that DB wants to use them elsewhere first & let E* figure out the teething problems of the new route..
317666
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Well, more DB ones have been built than E* ones, with a few DB ones in service compared to only one E* one having been delivered. Although, DB aren't just going to use theirs in the tunnel, but also on Germany - France services on the new LGV Rhine-Rhône. Currently a few DB ones are in service on domestic runs, as they haven't been approved to run into France yet. Also of note is that one of the ICE-3NGs is to replace a damaged ICE-3M, and a 17th ICE-3NG is being built by Siemens free-of-charge to compensate for the production delays. This 17th one is/will be fitted with experimental three-phase synchronous drive traction equipment. (Information again from German Wikipedia page.)
317666
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The 357s were delivered late and AdTranz built an extra, not one, but TWO units free of charge!
starrymarkb
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Plus DB ordered before Eurostar so their trains are further up the build queue
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I believe Alstom gave SPT an extra 334? Or am I imagining reading that somewhere?
Jordy
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I think they may have provided extra 170(s) (the SPT ones?) because of the 334 delays, although that's from something I read a long time ago so I'm not 100% sure!
sprinterguy
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Wikipedia says that Alstom provided two additional 334s on top of the original order for 38 units as recompense for the delays to the trains entering service.
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If Bombardier had provided extra 172s to compensate for late delivery then we'd have enough extra units to sort out the North's overcrowding permanently!
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... And we're off again!
Pyromaniac
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I was led to believe that was down to the massive amount of teething troubles during their introduction.
045 and 046 are the free ones...and led to the second batch being less, minus 229 and 230.
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I believe they'll be limited to 186mph on HS1 as I believe that's the top speed of that line.
Interesting, but according to this article, Eurostar say there are no technical reasons why services could not run at 320 km/h / 200 mph on High Speed 1:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Eurostar-MkII-fast-train-tracks-Britain.html
Eurostar said there was nothing 'technically' to stop that limit being raised to 200mph once the new trains come into service.
starrymarkb
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I believe Ashford is probably the bottleneck on max speed with the 270km/h through the station, then with 230km/h west of Ebbsfleet I can't see much opportunity for 320km/h running. IIRC most of the curves were designed to allow for 320km/h
Yeah I've started to have some second thoughts about this as well, as 186mph is suspiciously similar to the top speed of Eurostars. It sounds like it might be that the speed could be raised to 320kph/200mph with little or no difficulty it's just that no one's bothered as nothing yet could use it.
Jordy
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Made by two different people!
(bombardier 170s!)
Duhh...
They must've been made because of delays/problems with the other Scotrail 170s then.
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