Ladbroke Grove accident - driver & HST set

[HLE]

From my memory the ATP was fully operational but was isolated because FGW weren't bothered with it and Driver Harrison did not feel competent in using it. The AWS was isolated because of a fault.

Off topic I know, but wasn't he the same driver killed at Ladbroke Grove ?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Off topic I know, but wasn't he the same driver killed at Ladbroke Grove ?

No, but part of the HST formation was involved in both incidents. As a result the coaches were stored at minehead for a while if i recall correctly.

 

[HLE]

No, but part of the HST formation was involved in both incidents. As a result the coaches were stored at minehead for a while if i recall correctly.

You learn something new every day.

Could have swore that it was a driver named 'Harrison'who was killed in the HST at Ladbroke Grove. Unless I've dreamt it.

Apologies for going off topic....

 

[Zoidberg]

You learn something new every day.

Could have swore that it was a driver named 'Harrison'who was killed in the HST at Ladbroke Grove. Unless I've dreamt it.

Apologies for going off topic....

Wiki says the High Speed Train was driven by 52-year-old Brian Cooper.

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladbroke_Grove_rail_crash

 

[455driver]

You learn something new every day.

No you haven't because although some coaches and a power car were involved in both incidents they were not stored at Minehead.

 

[158747]

No you haven't because although some coaches and a power car were involved in both incidents they were not stored at Minehead.

The HST coaches from Ladbroke Grove were stored at Minehead, arriving there in May 2000, not sure when they re-entered service. Although some of the same coaches were involved, it was a different pair of power cars involved in the two incidents.

 

[455driver]

The HST coaches from Ladbroke Grove were stored at Minehead, arriving there in May 2000, not sure when they re-entered service. Although some of the same coaches were involved, it was a different pair of power cars involved in the two incidents.

I thought that was the ex Virgin Cross Country HSTs?
What other incident was 43029 involved in then!

 

[headshot119]

The HST coaches from Ladbroke Grove were stored at Minehead, arriving there in May 2000, not sure when they re-entered service. Although some of the same coaches were involved, it was a different pair of power cars involved in the two incidents.

Not sure if stored is the right term, but I did find this

First Great Western carries out train evacuation exercise on WSR...
The official press release from FGW is reproduced below...
Train operator First Great Western has announced a new date for its train evacuation exercise which is designed to test the effectiveness of information notices, safety lighting and other emergency procedures. The exercise was originally planned for October but was cancelled following the rail accident at Hatfield, Hertfordshire

The exercise will now be held on Tuesday November 28 and will be along the same lines as previously planned. Volunteers from outside the rail industry will help test existing safety measures as well as those being considered for the future. Findings from the exercise will be used by First Great Western, and the wider rail industry, to identify the most appropriate additional safety measures for the future.

�We cancelled the exercise because we felt it would be inappropriate to continue at the time of the Hertfordshire rail accident,� said First Great Western�s Managing Director Mike Carroll. �However it is important that it goes ahead now to help us consider what safety measures are most appropriate for the future.

�We will be examining how people react in an emergency and their perception of an evacuation from a First Great Western service. We will also be asking them to test the effectiveness of existing and proposed emergency information signs and an additional form of safety lighting which we are considering introducing on our trains.�

The exercise, which will recreate an evacuation from a fire, will be staged on track operated by the West Somerset Railway at Minehead in Somerset on Tuesday November 28. Senior First Great Western managers will take an active part and will be joined by volunteers from outside the rail industry who will act the part of customers.

The exercise will be conducted in some of the carriages which comprised part of the High Speed Train involved in last year�s Paddington rail crash and which have been at Minehead since early this summer. They were repaired after minor damage in the accident on October 5 last year.

�First Great Western is aware of the sensitivity surrounding these carriages,� added Mike Carroll. �We believe the exercise is an appropriate use for them at this time. The exercise supports rail industry assurances to the Cullen inquiry into the Paddington rail crash.�

Postscript: Around 10 TV crews were in attendance. The four FGW coaches were headed by the Class 33 no 33045. The evacuation exercise involved filling the train with around 100 volunteers and then with smoke. The idea then was for these brave souls to get out as quickly as possible. Some people found the normal small hammers proved difficult to smash a window.A new gadget that is attached to the window was demonstrated.When activated a small detonation fires a bolt through the glass which can then be pushed out easily. Another gadget in use was a small hand held light to help people see when visibility is bad.

29 November 2000 Details courtesy of local correspondents and First Great Western press release

So the coaches did end up on the West Somerset Railway.

 

[221129]

I thought that was the ex Virgin Cross Country HSTs?
What other incident was 43029 involved in then!

I believe 029 was involved at Ufton Nervet which saw 43019 get written off.

 

[158747]

I thought that was the ex Virgin Cross Country HSTs?
What other incident was 43029 involved in then!

Unsure what other incidents 43029 has been involved in, this was the rear power car in the incident at Ufton Nervet. The four power cars from the other incidents were:
Southall 43173, 43163
Ladbroke Grove 43011, 43018
However I have been searching online and have found out that 43018 was seriously damaged in a collision with a Turbo at Royal Oak on 10 November 1995.

 

[craigybagel]

Possibly getting mixed up with 91023 that survived both Hatfield and Selby? But we are getting way off topic here from our friends at WCRC's latest shenanigans.

 

[455driver]

Possibly getting mixed up with 91023 that survived both Hatfield and Selby? But we are getting way off topic here from our friends at WCRC's latest shenanigans.

Nope, 029 was involved in 2 crashes, I have a list of all the coaches involved somewhere but cant find it at the moment

 

[paulb1973]

Ladbroke Grove accident 5/10/99

HST Formation:
43011+41042(A)+41060(B)+40213(C)+42082(D)+42074(E)+42073(F)+42361(G)+44024(H)+43018

(Class 165 No. 165115 formation – 58967+55429+58930)


Southall accident 19/9/97

HST Formation: 43173+41049+41050+40745+42072+42073+42074+44024+43163

 

[gimmea50anyday]

91 023 was indeed involved in both Hatfield and Heck, hence on refurbishment it became 91 132

 

[Willr2094]

Back in 1991 43029 was the rear power car on an Intercity service from Newquay to Paddington when the train derailed just after leaving Luxulyan Tunnel. The passengers were sent in groups to 43029 when it operated a free shuttle into Luxulyan station.

On 6th November 2004 it left Paddington trailing 43019 when at 18:12 the train rammed a car at Ufton Nervet and derailed. 43029 suffered very minor damage (mostly to the lower front valancing under the cab, as when it derailed it sank into the ballast). 43019 was damaged severely, becoming the third HST power car to be written off and broken up.

Power cars written off following accident damage:
43173: Ripped open after colliding with a stone train at Southall, used for parts then scrapped
43011: Caught fire after hitting a Thames Turbo at Ladbroke Grove
43019: Took much of the impact at Ufton Nervet and written off.

Information about the Luxulyan derailment sourced from: http://www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/village/hst.html

 

[richw]

No you haven't because although some coaches and a power car were involved in both incidents they were not stored at Minehead.

4 of the coaches involved in Ladbroke Grove were stored at minehead. A photo is available on a WSR blog I've seen in the past.

http://www.uksteam.info/wsr/news00.htm Click the 25th August article

 

[BestWestern]

What was the reason for storing the undamaged Ladbroke coaches, were they simply surplus having become effectively spare?

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Gosh this sends flashbacks! I was on 43019's (unofficial obviously) very last service as well

 

[richw]

What was the reason for storing the undamaged Ladbroke coaches, were they simply surplus having become effectively spare?

The TOC press release mentioned out of respect to the families of the deceased they were withdrawn for a period of time. They were all refurbed before being stored.

 

[BestWestern]

Gosh this sends flashbacks! I was on 43019's (unofficial obviously) very last service as well

Well that would have been the collision train, surely?!

 

[cjmillsnun]

Back in 1991 43029 was the rear power car on an Intercity service from Newquay to Paddington when the train derailed just after leaving Luxulyan Tunnel. The passengers were sent in groups to 43029 when it operated a free shuttle into Luxulyan station.

On 6th November 2004 it left Paddington trailing 43019 when at 18:12 the train rammed a car at Ufton Nervet and derailed. 43029 suffered very minor damage (mostly to the lower front valancing under the cab, as when it derailed it sank into the ballast). 43019 was damaged severely, becoming the third HST power car to be written off and broken up.

Power cars written off following accident damage:
43173: Ripped open after colliding with a stone train at Southall, used for parts then scrapped
43011: Caught fire after hitting a Thames Turbo at Ladbroke Grove
43019: Took much of the impact at Ufton Nervet and written off.

Information about the Luxulyan derailment sourced from: http://www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/village/hst.html

This video is the other power car (43035) in the Luxulyan derailment being re-railed..

[youtube]idB1X7XGEew[/youtube]

 

[sprinterguy]

The TOC press release mentioned out of respect to the families of the deceased they were withdrawn for a period of time.

As well as this reason, the four carriages stored at Minehead (TSOs 42073/074/361 and TGS 44024) were used to trial new forms of signage and lighting to aid emergency egress procedures, culminating in a range of "ermegency egress exercises" taking place at Minehead on 27/28 November 2000.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Well that would have been the collision train, surely?!

Yes, did it on an All Line Rover as I still hadn't done 43019, so got on at Paddington, then decided to go through to the West but at more-less the last minute I had an urge to scratch off the Bicester Branch so got off at Reading, then came back to find nothing was going towards Westbury anymore!!

I'm not a religious person and sometimes skeptical, but I do believe someone was watching me that day, especially having a sudden urge to get off and do something else!!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Whereabouts in the train that crashed were you? Front or middle?

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Whereabouts in the train that crashed were you? Front or middle?

Coach A, so right at the front. I used to always sit in the single seat behind the guard bit so I was closest to the powercar, which sometimes you could often hear screaming away

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Crikey.....