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LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)
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themiller
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Ah, yes. I’ll wake up anytime now!
Hairy Bear
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Restricted to 110 anyway Kings X to Doncaster. There may be further restrictions north of there.
I think we're starting to wander quite a ways off topic here! This thread is about Azuma's and their construction/introduction and whilst I don't see a reason why we can't mention LNER's possible plan to procure more I don't think a discussion about the poor performance of 67s hauling Mk4s or similar discussions are quite on topic! So let's get back to Azuma's please 
Pretty good to see an additional 80 seats on each service, especially considering the extra legroom on the Azuma.
Failed Unit
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So no advantage to running a 10 car set then.
First time I had seen these figures but had hoped that at least you would get the advantage of some extra seats, to compenstate for the double crewing.
I know 5 cars is all you need for Lincoln. I guess this is discussed to death elsewhere on the 71 pages
hexagon789
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Well as a further comparison the Azumas seat up to 88 in Standard; the Mk4s max out at 76, but yes the capacity increase will be very welcome.
hexagon789
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So no advantage to running a 10 car set then.
First time I had seen these figures but had hoped that at least you would get the advantage of some extra seats, to compenstate for the double crewing.
I know 5 cars is all you need for Lincoln. I guess this is discussed to death elsewhere on the 71 pages
You lose a lot in 2×5 to having two cabs in the middle, 4 accessible toilets, 2 buffet counters and 2 kitchens.
If the proposed 10-car sets (assuming they are one proper 10-car), go ahead they would have an increase over a 9-car, by how much depends on the exact seating layout arrangements, there are two likely options in my view but I can think of at least four different ones.
EE Andy b1
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Should imagine that these sets carry an emergency coupler so any locomotive can be coupled if required just like on a Class 390.
Provided they meet the specification, yes they do. Obviously that doesn't give any electrical control (so it's unbraked), but it does get it moving.
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5Q40 Doncaster - Acton
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EE Andy b1
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I would have thought that the Class 80x s had a through brake pipe like a Class 390 so if being dragged in an emergency or a fault with Dynamic brakes, there would be brakes (air) on the train, but maybe not.
The Class 390 can actually run in brake pipe mode without a locomotive and no Dynamic brakes (but they don't).
Ah, re-reading the specification and checking my memory, I'm wrong and you're right.
I saw the 1730 Kings Cross to Edinburgh Azuma boarding at Kings Cross this evening (I was on the 365 on the adjacent platform) I noticed that the displays on the outside of the coaches were scrolling the calling stations. After Dunbar, it listed calling at Abbeyhill Junction and Edinburgh Waverley !
Those displays are good because they tell you that RTT is correct and you can board knowing it's the right train. On the other hand LNER do sometimes seem to leave it until the last minute to get the display updated.
323 Class
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Managed to get 801109 & 801110 at Leeds yesterday. An Hitachi engineer invited me and my two youngest into the cab of 110 for a few minutes before the pair left on another test run.
bramling
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Wonderful all that wasted space in the middle of the train when two units are joined together. Really good use of platform and track capacity...
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I think what was being pointed out is that “Abbeyhill Junction” is only a timing point, not a station call...
It is a known glitch that they are aware off.....1E01 also lists Craigentinny and Craigentinny depot on the PIS.
modernrail
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Isn't it!! Not to mention passengers paying for the cab equipment and maintenance of that cab equipment for the next 30 years for no obvious reason.
Entertexthere
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There's nothing that a Saw and some Flextape can't solve!
Aside from being able to divide and run to two smaller destinations such as splitting at Leeds to go to Bradford and Harrogate...
I presume you also complained that the Class 91s had two cabs as well for no obvious reason?
I'm in first class at present on an azuma. Seats are definitely narrower and there's quite a bit less legroom. I'd say the suspension is worse giving a very bumpy ride
I spoke to lner staff in the first class lounge and they said they'd had lots of complaints about smaller seats and uncomfy journeys. They said they aren't any faster than the old stock.
Also she said that carrying bikes was an absolute nightmare as they didn't fit properly into their bays
I've no idea where the seats are larger. Second class maybe but judging from Complaints I'd say the claims of larger seats is complete hogwash
Now there's a surprise
I spoke to lner staff in the first class lounge and they said they'd had lots of complaints about smaller seats and uncomfy journeys. They said they aren't any faster than the old stock.
Also she said that carrying bikes was an absolute nightmare as they didn't fit properly into their bays
I've no idea where the seats are larger. Second class maybe but judging from Complaints I'd say the claims of larger seats is complete hogwash
Now there's a surprise
EE Andy b1
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I was on my first LNER Azumas a couple of weeks back, they were ok better looking interior than GWRs that's for sure, seats felt a bit more comfortable.
The ride quality more akin to a non-tilt Class 390 i thought, but with air bags slightly deflated, the 390 still a better ride.
Was sat in First, which looks nothing special really.
The ride quality more akin to a non-tilt Class 390 i thought, but with air bags slightly deflated, the 390 still a better ride.
Was sat in First, which looks nothing special really.
They clearly are faster than the old stock, recovery on late running services is significantly better than historically. Obviously until the timetable is rewritten this won't be seen in advertised times.
I've not had the pleasure of first class as yet, but the leg room in Standard is significantly better, better even than a 180.
In first class the single seats have the table leg in an appalling position. As a very tall person I would be almost totally unable to sit in these seats doe to position of legs
At present we are accelerating heavily out of York towards darlington. Ride quality is appalling with massive vibration and windows creaking. I travelled last week on a voyager in first class on this stretch and the ride was better on the voyager. Seats are comfier on the azuma with better back support for tall people
Theres only two other passengers in coach l. Thought it would be busy
I only did a short run from donny to durham today. Overall, seats are too firm and are too shallow. Compared to mk 3 and 4. I got off with backache.
Lavatories are excellent but much fewer of them. Luggage space in first is almost non exsistant. Its going to be chaos when train is fully loaded.
Ride quality was poor in many parts of route esp when train is accelerating hard. They are much better when deceleratiing.
They are not a step forwards from existing stock. For me, the seats are too hard, too shallow and table legs are in a shocking position due to narrower seats. I am tall in height but I'm not a wide person. Anyone who is very wide will have significant issues with these trains.
At present we are accelerating heavily out of York towards darlington. Ride quality is appalling with massive vibration and windows creaking. I travelled last week on a voyager in first class on this stretch and the ride was better on the voyager. Seats are comfier on the azuma with better back support for tall people
Theres only two other passengers in coach l. Thought it would be busy
I only did a short run from donny to durham today. Overall, seats are too firm and are too shallow. Compared to mk 3 and 4. I got off with backache.
Lavatories are excellent but much fewer of them. Luggage space in first is almost non exsistant. Its going to be chaos when train is fully loaded.
Ride quality was poor in many parts of route esp when train is accelerating hard. They are much better when deceleratiing.
They are not a step forwards from existing stock. For me, the seats are too hard, too shallow and table legs are in a shocking position due to narrower seats. I am tall in height but I'm not a wide person. Anyone who is very wide will have significant issues with these trains.
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And I was pointing out the benefits of the displays overall -when they are switched on.
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