Apparently there are five stages of grief, with the initial one being "Denial". I think those mourning the loss of the X17 are very much stuck here and it's high time that they moved on. 
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Jordan Adam
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Totally, i wasn't disputing or complaining about it. It's just someone mentioned it would provide a useful link for those who work at RBS and live in West Lothian, i was just saying it wouldn't be much use to them as it only diverts outbound in the morning and inbound in the afternoon. As you note and i fully agree the diversion is in the opposite direction of the mean peak time flow so the extra time really isn't an issue.
Likewise with the X38... Lothian can't seem to post anything on social media without the same five people bringing it up.Apparently there are five stages of grief, with the initial one being "Denial". I think those mourning the loss of the X17 are very much stuck here and it's high time that they moved on.
I doubt things will ever go back to how they were, i suspect going forward the traditional "peak" times won't be as busy while off-peak and weekend buses will be busier than they were before.
Exactly my point.
I know that, but I was trying to explain it for the benefit of a certain member who seems to think otherwise and continues to think so. As @GusB has touched on above, we can now definitely file the X17 alongside 1029 under the category "it's not coming back" and draw a line under this subject.
I know that, but I was trying to explain it for the benefit of a certain member who seems to think otherwise and continues to think so. As @GusB has touched on above, we can now definitely file the X17 alongside 1029 under the category "it's not coming back" and draw a line under this subject.
Ah I see! Sorry, I misinterpreted your post.
942 back, 1029 gone, X17 gone... that just leaves 601 and that XLB I think?
Jordan Adam
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Ah I see! Sorry, I misinterpreted your post.
942 back, 1029 gone, X17 gone... that just leaves 601 and that XLB I think?
You forgot the StreetAirs, 15 to Penicuik, 45 and 67!
I did read a post on Facebook that said the Streetairs had been moved to Newbridge, presumably to make way for the BYDs - if true. Haven't done a Central shift for a while so no idea.
driver1559
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Yes, there was some sort of gentleman's agreement and Lothian Regional Transport (LRT) withdrew from West Lothian. It must have been the biggest concidence in the world if they pulled out about the same time!
The 23 would have been a full size bus to start with, then converted to City Sprinter (I'm sure it was any of the 21-31 seat minibuses), and I'm pretty sure the C27 was straight minibuses (think was it the 31 seat ones?)
They orginally had City Sprinter branding - never City Hopper.
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The Eastern/SMT 23 started off as a Lothian Regional Council contract after LRT deregistered the evening and Sunday journeys at deregulation in 1986. Around a year later (September 1987) LRT reintroduced them commercially and the contract was cancelled. Eastern, however, decided to register the former contract journeys commercially and added a daytime service a few weeks later.
The next change to Eastern's 23 came in July 1989 when the evening and Sunday journeys were converted to City Sprinter minibus operation, then another change in February 1990 saw the northern terminus change to East Pilton where it was linked with the C2. The H-reg Renault midis made their debut on the linked C2/23 in April 1991, a few months before the two services were merged to form the C23.
90019
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The Streetairs are still parked in Central gathering dust, the new electric buses are using different chargers further along that were installed a while back.
All we need is for the StreetAirs' fates to be decided, and that'll be another taboo subject ticked off the list.
Tennent's cans!All we need is for the StreetAirs' fates to be decided, and that'll be another taboo subject ticked off the list.
ScotRail158725
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I could only hopeTennent's cans!
Lothianbus703
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They might as well be scrapped.All we need is for the StreetAirs' fates to be decided, and that'll be another taboo subject ticked off the list.
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Already been mentioned
I thought the topic was already scrapped itself - lets move on really though now. Don't want it to start again!
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Graham Alexand
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Apologies if already suggested but, I personally think it would be a good idea to make them driver shuttle buses.
Blindtraveler
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Has any effort been made to sell them?
An East Coast Buses 209xx vehicle left the carriageway and fell down an embankment on the 15th whilst on the 104, staying upright, no injuries reported.
Looks like vehicle turned the left corner then didn't follow the road right, heading off road.
From the trackers it looks like it was 20946 (photos in newspaper are too low resolution to confirm)
Source (with a few pictures): https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/...s-vehicle-goes-off-road-a199-near-haddington/
Looks like vehicle turned the left corner then didn't follow the road right, heading off road.
From the trackers it looks like it was 20946 (photos in newspaper are too low resolution to confirm)
Source (with a few pictures): https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/...s-vehicle-goes-off-road-a199-near-haddington/
Well we did have an electric Renault van on demo at Longstone for a week or two, wonder what the running costs of those would be vs Streetairs that have been off the road for nigh on two years (and the existing Transits).
I went back and looked at the name of the commenter and I really should have known better!
(nobody on this forum that I'm aware of anyhow).I'll drink to that!Tennent's cans!
One type in the fleet I never got the chance to ride. Seen one on Princes St last year.
Graham Alexand
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One of them was in service until March 2020 if I have my dates right.
Yes, 287 entered service on the 3rd of March randomly until the 27th.
But, I think it's been mentioned several times now: Let's move on... We don't need to have the discussion relating the Streetair's again!
Blindtraveler
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Unless of course they decide to to put them to use or turn them into razor blades or build them up into a nice random colourful art installation for the gardens
Should imagine the batteries are useless now for a start
Should imagine the batteries are useless now for a start
90019
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Six.
From what I read, is / was that 6 too many? That being said, at least Lothian should get credit for trying something new?!
cnjb8
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Yes they should, unfortunately the StreetAir is a massive flop!
Scottish Green Bus Fund 7 Grant Awards
| Company | Total grant offered | No. Buses | Bus type |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lothian Buses | £1,000,000 | 6 electric buses | Volvo B5LH Chassis |
| HITRANS | £127,006 | 1 | Optare Electric |
| First Glasgow No 1 | £131,250 | 25 | E400MMC ADL Double Decker |