I agree.It was only a matter of time, but good on Lothian for focussing on the safety of their staff!
Hopefully this will now focus a few minds with the Parents,ECC and Police Scotland.
It also affects a lot of people in retail as well.While many people will be angry, they should direct the anger at those (insert word(s) of your choice here) for throwing rocks and bricks at buses. It was either this, or someone was going to get killed.
I suspect some routes tomorrow will be curtailed to avoid the trouble areas.
I do feel sorry for nurses etc who need the buses, however, it's better this than a driver or passenger being killed.
It says tonight initially and then it will be reviewed. But if it focuses a few minds then yes, it will be worth it.
Yeah. Going through problem areas in Lothian area was my guess for the subsidiary companies.
I reckon it might be more than just one night. I’d be happy to be wrong though.
NHS Lothian will be putting on taxis for staff who need to get home using public transport, so no staff member will be out of pocket. They need to speak to their line manager.So are the NHS workers who are going on night shift tonight going to be recompensed for any extra costs by the bus company?
No. Why would they?So are the NHS workers who are going on night shift tonight going to be recompensed for any extra costs by the bus company?
I believe the NHS are paying for taxis for staff affected.So are the NHS workers who are going on night shift tonight going to be recompensed for any extra costs by the bus company?
So are the NHS workers who are going on night shift tonight going to be recompensed for any extra costs by the bus company?
Because people will have purchased ridacards with the expectation that the bus company runs a service, so I don't see how withdrawing a service that has been paid for is justified without some compensation unless there is a real risk to pasengers/driver on the particular service in question.No. Why would they?
Bricks and rocks have been thrown at vehicles smashing windows and windscreens. MANY buses been taken off the road. A driver was HOSPITALISED. Should the company wait until a person is killed before acting?! What if a brick hit a passenger? What if it hit the driver? Although if that happened, people would say they should have acted before now. If you're inconvenienced, I am sure Lothian will refund your 50p if you ask them to.Because people will have purchased ridacards with the expectation that the bus company runs a service, so I don't see how withdrawing a service that has been paid for is justified without some compensation unless there is a real risk to pasengers on the particular service in question.
Because people will have purchased ridacards with the expectation that the bus company runs a service, so I don't see how withdrawing a service that has been paid for is justified without some compensation unless there is a real risk to pasengers/driver on the particular service in question.
They can change the timetable. Same as the COVID changes we've seen over the last 12 months.Because people will have purchased ridacards with the expectation that the bus company runs a service, so I don't see how withdrawing a service that has been paid for is justified without some compensation unless there is a real risk to pasengers/driver on the particular service in question.
Bricks and rocks have been thrown at vehicles smashing windows and windscreens. MANY buses been taken off the road. A driver was HOSPITALISED. Should the company wait until a person is killed before acting?! What if a brick hit a passenger? What if it hit the driver? Although if that happened, people would say they should have acted before now. If you're inconvenienced, I am sure Lothian will refund your 50p if you ask them to.
As far as I'm aware nobody has said they should have taken no action. I think they should have done it differently and with more warning.Should the company wait until a person is killed before acting?!
So basically you're getting upset over something that hasn't effected you. Maybe direct your outrage at the yobs actually doing these acts instead of the bus company that's just looking out for its staff and passengers safety.As far as I'm aware nobody has said they should have taken no action. I think they should have done it differently and with more warning.
They could park all the broken buses on Princes St. for example.
I realise those here who work for the bus company or travel in those locations will see it differently.
I used to travel to the ERI every workday for years and see the nurses leaving after a night shift and I can imagine people in that area have real mixed feelings about this. My daughter works night shifts for the NHS but can travel to work by car.
One question. Imagine your daughter is on a bus which has just been attacked by those youths, she's petrified as the brick came through the window she was sitting next to. Showered in glass. Would you still be saying that more warning was needed?As far as I'm aware nobody has said they should have taken no action. I think they should have done it differently and with more warning.
They could park all the broken buses on Princes St. for example.
I realise those here who work for the bus company or travel in those locations will see it differently.
I used to travel to the ERI every workday for years and see the nurses leaving after a night shift and I can imagine people in that area have real mixed feelings about this. My daughter works night shifts for the NHS but can travel to work by car.
One question. Imagine your daughter is on a bus which has just been attacked by those youths, she's petrified as the brick came through the window she was sitting next to. Showered in glass. Would you still be saying that more warning was needed?
Yes, I am telling you that this IS widespread and happening in many places in Edinburgh, not just one or two locations. That is why it is not as simple as just curtailing some routes. And we are not talking about little stones here, but actual house bricks.I have no problem whatsoever with the withdrawal of individual services in response to a real risk in a particular area, I had assumed that was already going on.
Now if you are telling me this is happening everywhere in Edinburgh and in the coverage area of the other two bus companies then that would be a different matter, but I was under the impression that was not the case.
Well said @OmniCity999Im not going to sit here and target every post because really i cant be bothered, but:
- Multiple members of staff have received injuries - one could have potentially lost his sight - potentially life changing injuries... for doing their job.
- At last count, over 25 buses have received damage, cost of which comes from... you got it, the bus company.
- Our vehicles cost between £250,000 and £350,000 each
- Glazing isnt cheap, panelling isnt cheap
- It takes time and costs great amounts of money to repair vehicles
- (ultimately human life doesnt have a cost)
- Passengers have narrowly escaped injury
- There isnt much more the police can / will do
- A blanket curtailment of services is the ONLY option the company has. If this didnt happen, staff would rightly push for industrial action, resulting in the same situation, but throughout the day.
- Parking all the damaged vehicles in a public place isnt going to resolve or prevent anything, potentially resulting in more damage.
- The NHS and those companies who employ key workers are paying for transport. Nobody will be left stranded, especially after recent events.
As i see it, the only way to sort this out long term is to continue curtailment of service, to a point where constituents put pressure on councillors. Councillors then either put pressure on police or enforce curfew, curfew then resulting in police enforcing and targeting those who cause trouble.
The public service provider isnt the problem here, its bored children and teens that have been locked up for a year. Teens and children who would normally have social clubs and the such to spend their time on.
This needs enforcement from the top, councils and governments need to get control of this, once they do, the police do and so does the operator.
Dont blame the people who provide you with a service, when the issue is out of their hands.
And i'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but im truly passionate about this, after having a member of family effected by it.
I agree entirely, that's also not to forget the revenue lost having vehicles off the road and the potential shortage of vehicles leading to cancelled services. They've had multiple buses off the road here for up to 4 weeks at a time purely because one window has been put in and they're waiting for parts.Im not going to sit here and target every post because really i cant be bothered, but:
- Multiple members of staff have received injuries - one could have potentially lost his sight - potentially life changing injuries... for doing their job.
- At last count, over 25 buses have received damage, cost of which comes from... you got it, the bus company.
- Our vehicles cost between £250,000 and £350,000 each
- Glazing isnt cheap, panelling isnt cheap
- It takes time and costs great amounts of money to repair vehicles
- (ultimately human life doesnt have a cost)
- Passengers have narrowly escaped injury
- There isnt much more the police can / will do
- A blanket curtailment of services is the ONLY option the company has. If this didnt happen, staff would rightly push for industrial action, resulting in the same situation, but throughout the day.
- Parking all the damaged vehicles in a public place isnt going to resolve or prevent anything, potentially resulting in more damage.
- The NHS and those companies who employ key workers are paying for transport. Nobody will be left stranded, especially after recent events.
As i see it, the only way to sort this out long term is to continue curtailment of service, to a point where constituents put pressure on councillors. Councillors then either put pressure on police or enforce curfew, curfew then resulting in police enforcing and targeting those who cause trouble.
The public service provider isnt the problem here, its bored children and teens that have been locked up for a year. Teens and children who would normally have social clubs and the such to spend their time on.
This needs enforcement from the top, councils and governments need to get control of this, once they do, the police do and so does the operator.
Dont blame the people who provide you with a service, when the issue is out of their hands.
And i'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but im truly passionate about this, after having a member of family effected by it.
It may come as a surprise but Edinburgh isn't the only place badly affected by vandalism lately, others areas are too, in fact most nights Stagecoach here are diverting the 59 to miss part of it's route. Vandalism can and does happen anywhere, it doesn't matter if the areas are affluent or not.Quite frankly, I am surprised that Edinburgh is getting bad for this.
Also the money that has to be spent repairing the buses vandalised and drivers having too be treated for injuries.
Personally I think Public Transport shouldn't be a right, it should be a privilege and for people that treat them with respect.