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Well this report throws a grenade into Karen’s bath water. Surprisingly, it’s from the BBC
Coronavirus: Tests 'could be picking up dead virus' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629
The main test used to diagnose coronavirus is so sensitive it could be picking up fragments of dead virus from old infections, scientists say.

Most people are infectious only for about a week, but could test positive weeks afterwards.

Researchers say this could be leading to an over-estimate of the current scale of the pandemic.
So, first we had deaths attributed to Covid being exaggerated by counting those who died months later from other causes, slashing 5k off the total.
Now that weapon of fear is to scream long and loud about new cases (which are not leading to increasing hospitalisations), we have the news that even these ‘worrying’ numbers are likely to include people who have had covid at some point, but are no longer infectious, despite having a recent positive test.
I really am heartily sick of all this lunacy !!
 
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Todays doom mongering story from "The Guardian"


Government science advisers have warned that there is a “critical risk” of large numbers of infected higher education students seeding Covid-19 outbreaks across the UK when they return home at the end of term.

Surely that assumes a significant number of them all have Covid at exactly the same time. i.e. the week leading up to Christmas?
 

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Todays doom mongering story from "The Guardian"




Surely that assumes a significant number of them all have Covid at exactly the same time. i.e. the week leading up to Christmas?

I'm starting to lose track, which second wave is this one going to be. I'm pretty sure we are up to about the 7th or 8th second wave.....

Seriously though, if there isn't a significant second wave then a lot of "experts" and journalists are going to be very disappointed, and maybe unemployed.
 

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I'd be far more worried about the annual outbreak of university spread viral meningitis than Covid.
 

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I'm starting to lose track, which second wave is this one going to be. I'm pretty sure we are up to about the 7th or 8th second wave.....

Seriously though, if there isn't a significant second wave then a lot of "experts" and journalists are going to be very disappointed, and maybe unemployed.
Don't forget the second wave which students are supposedly going to cause this month when everyone goes back to University.
 

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Don't forget the second wave which students are supposedly going to cause this month when everyone goes back to University.
Do you remember the second wave from VE day? Terrible wasn't it? Almost as bad as the second wave from the beach goers in May in Cornwall. Of course the pubs reopening were responsible for the fourth second wave in June that the media so accurately reported on.
 

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Don't forget the second wave which students are supposedly going to cause this month when everyone goes back to University.
Do you remember the second wave from VE day? Terrible wasn't it? Almost as bad as the second wave from the beach goers in May in Cornwall. Of course the pubs reopening were responsible for the fourth second wave in June that the media so accurately reported on.

Now I'm really lost! We've had so many second waves it almost feels like we should be on the third, forth or even fifth wave by now....
 

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Perhaps when the threatened second wave doesn’t materialise, we’ll be able to say the tide has turned?


Or can we just start singing Blondie "the tide is high..."

I'm starting to lose track, which second wave is this one going to be. I'm pretty sure we are up to about the 7th or 8th second wave.....

Seriously though, if there isn't a significant second wave then a lot of "experts" and journalists are going to be very disappointed, and maybe unemployed.


Would it not be easier that they just say they maybe minor outbreaks than waves.... I'm so over the waves.... i'll still wave however from a bus window though :lol:
 

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Today is the first non-weekend day that I can remember when the Guardian has not had a live blog dedicated purely to UK Coronavirus news. There's a general UK politics live blog which seems half the 'B word' and half the C Virus.

This might seem like a minor point but could it perhaps be a sign that we are moving on from having an unrelenting, daily and trivial focus on virus updates/'news' (e.g: omg, there was one case reported in Little Nobbiton, population 1,400! In a cafe! Will it close?!)?

Edit: Well, scratch that. Just as I wrote this it has been re-named 'UK Coronavirus Live.' It went most of the day under a different name at least!
 
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Might sound a bit political here but isn't it odd how certain politicians are caught out ie abiding the rules and break them its always .... one rule for us and one rule for them....

I know Dominic Cummings has had in the neck but its odd for me closer to home its different rules, so if your normal citizen breaks the rules expect a fine but be a councillor/politician expect a slapped wrist.


and one more... in terms of Aberdeen "wake up call" ...

https://news.stv.tv/politics/first-minister-aberdeen-city-lockdown-is-a-wake-up-call

Yet on a different point a la Aberdeen: ie football players/revellers...

Irony says it all really....

Indeed in my point of view it still is... one rule for us/them...
 
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Where are the headlines saying that the cases in France have dropped nearly 50% in 24 hours? It'll be a testing/statistical phenomenon, but the media are screaning about increases of the same amount also caused by changes to testing.
 

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Where are the headlines saying that the cases in France have dropped nearly 50% in 24 hours? It'll be a testing/statistical phenomenon, but the media are screaning about increases of the same amount also caused by changes to testing.
We don't talk about figures that decrease. We simply find another one that’s increasing to report on. Project Fear doesn't allow good news...
 

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I smell a rat with the sudden jump in new infections over the past couple of days; if there were a rise in new infections caused by people passing the virus on to each other, it would rise gradually; eg in any given city, 10 cases on a Monday, 20 on a Tuesday, 50 on a Wednesday.

Take a look at this chart that was recently posted on Twitter;

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That data shows that in Birmingham for example there was 1 new case last Wednesday, 7 last Thursday then suddenly 125 last Friday! Like wise Newcastle's figures were 1 case Thursday, 2 cases Friday then 32 on Saturday!

As I see it there’s only three explanations for why the new infections rate soared to nearly 3,000 per day over the weekend;
  • Some of the test results have been delayed and much of this is old data.
  • Some tests have been counted twice; once when they were sent out and again when they were sent back. (This has happened before; see https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ing-error-nhs-covid-19-pandemic-a9670341.html )
  • The government is making up the figures because it thinks we’ve got too complacent and it needs to start scaring us again.
Whatever the reason, I don’t think it’s anything to worry about. It’s the hospital admissions and deaths figures that matter which are incredibly low and, you may have noted, most of the media don’t even bother to report anymore.
 

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Some of the test results have been delayed and much of this is old data.
The data you present shows cases by specimen date. This isn't delayed test results, that is 125 samples on Friday returning positive

Some tests have been counted twice; once when they were sent out and again when they were sent back. (This has happened before; see https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ing-error-nhs-covid-19-pandemic-a9670341.html )

That fudge was to do with the number of tests, never the results. The actual results are subject to a degree of moderation to ensure that it is only new individual cases - somebody tested both at home and then again at hospital won't (/shouldn't) show up as two positive results, similarly someone who test positive and then when retested later is still positive

The government is making up the figures because it thinks we’ve got too complacent and it needs to start scaring us again.

Possibly, but that's a little tin foil-y for my liking. The real reason I suspect that there's the increase is down to a) increased prevalence of the virus, and b) increased testing - going around and testing direct contacts will return positive cases. Waiting for people to possibly show symptoms before getting a test won't
 

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Possibly, but that's a little tin foil-y for my liking. The real reason I suspect that there's the increase is down to a) increased prevalence of the virus, and b) increased testing - going around and testing direct contacts will return positive cases. Waiting for people to possibly show symptoms before getting a test won't
The difficulty is that in many places it is now almost impossible to get a test. I have been checking for two days now and there are no tests (either drive in/walk in) or home testing kits available. Many other people in Greater London have reported that to get a test they are being expected to drive several hundred miles; a few people I have seen screenshots of are being asked to drive to Dundee! Apparently the government are trying to prioritise high-instance locations, which seems strange given the numbers report a 10s of thousands difference between testing capacity and actual tests.
 

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The difficulty is that in many places it is now almost impossible to get a test. I have been checking for two days now and there are no tests (either drive in/walk in) or home testing kits available. Many other people in Greater London have reported that to get a test they are being expected to drive several hundred miles; a few people I have seen screenshots of are being asked to drive to Dundee! Apparently the government are trying to prioritise high-instance locations, which seems strange given the numbers report a 10s of thousands difference between testing capacity and actual tests.
Nothing wrong with Dundee ;):lol:

Sky News are reporting that testing capacity has reached its maximum, I'm sure someone will be able to post a link who has better access to it than I do right now!
 

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I wonder, has there been an increase in testing of young people, in anticipation of them going back to University ?

That could account for the sudden jump in cases.
 

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The press and media all doom and gloom today I notice, about a second wave. WHO chief saying "Second wave IS coming to the UK", Jonathan Van Tam saying "I'm afraid it IS coming.". They may well be proved wrong. They're taking too much notice of the numbers of new cases(due to significantly ramped up daily testing!), rather than the low hospital admissions and deaths.

Matt Hancock due to make a statement in the House of Commons now. I expect that will be all doom and gloom too.
 

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The press and media all doom and gloom today I notice, about a second wave. WHO chief saying "Second wave IS coming to the UK", Jonathan Van Tam saying "I'm afraid it IS coming.". They may well be proved wrong. They're taking too much notice of the numbers of new cases(due to significantly ramped up daily testing!), rather than the low hospital admissions and deaths.

Matt Hancock due to make a statement in the House of Commons now. I expect that will be all doom and gloom too.

Panic stations everyone! .... I guess by 2021 we'll hear of a third wave?, I didn't think we we're over the first one and by having spikes but I guess in their terminology spiking means a second wave...

Just a thought, we hear in the media and politicians about Joe Bloggs being responsible for their actions but surely it should be looked more closer to home, is it not the governments responsibilty? I say this as in both UK/Scottish Governments, they speak of panic and that the public are bad, yet for me it lies with them, aren't they meant to be on top of things or would they rather see these "outbreaks"/waves?

I hear Sweden is calling...

I wonder, has there been an increase in testing of young people, in anticipation of them going back to University ?

That could account for the sudden jump in cases.


Yet I wonder if thats the main reason for these spikes but I thought the Governments would be on top of this and well... be under control? Guess not..
 

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The WHO chief is contradicting his own organisation, who have said that it's all just one big wave, and the definition of a second wave is when cases have dropped to near zero and then reappear. I reckon he never said anything of the sort about a second wave. He always speaks of spikes, not waves. The lazy hacks have just embellished things.
 

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Fair play to the BBC - they seem to be getting better the longer this goes on. Another article explaining the reality behind “spikes”.
It only really covers what has already been mentioned in various threads on the forum. However considering some of the articles they’ve published before, seeing more of these articles is definitely encouraging.
Officials are clearly alarmed by the latest rise in coronavirus cases. Newly diagnosed cases have topped 2,000 for the past three days.

The average rate of new infections is now four times higher than it was in mid-July. But is the rise in cases quite as sharp as it looks? Here are five things to consider before hitting the panic button.

1. The 'peak' was a massive underestimate

The confirmed cases chart is one we have all got used to. It shows the number of positive Covid-19 tests a day. In April, there were days when 6,000 new cases a day were recorded, so the level of infections in the past few days appears to be almost halfway towards that peak.

But at the start of the pandemic, the UK was only largely able to test hospital patients. There was limited testing capacity.

This targeted testing meant infections in the community were completely missed, whereas now we have mass testing in the community. It means if we compare numbers now to numbers during the peak, we are essentially comparing apples with pears.

Estimates from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine suggest there may have been as many as 100,000 cases a day at the end of March. Mass testing in the community only started in the second half of May.

Clearly not all cases are now being picked up, although the surveillance programme run by the Office for National Statistics suggests a large proportion are, whereas earlier in the pandemic maybe only 5% of cases were being detected.

So while cases may be rising, the level of infection being seen is still very low compared with the peak.

2. Extra testing is a factor

Even after mass testing was launched, the number of tests carried out on a daily and weekly basis has still been increasing.

This is because more testing centres have opened and lab capacity to process the tests has increased. It means we are able to look more closely for virus circulating in the community than we were when mass testing first started.

So cases are spiking, right?

But we have to factor in that big increase in testing - there has been an 80% rise since mid-June.

The rise seems to be smaller, slower and to have happened more recently.

3. Testing is targeted at hotspots

The increase in testing capacity means the government now has a flexible army of testing facilities. A network of more than 100 mobile units can be dispatched around the country.

And despite the current problems with lab capacity, which have meant some people in some places have struggled to get a test, resources are still being focused on areas with the highest rates.

Random testing in neighbourhoods has also started in hotspot areas, with people offered tests even if they don't have symptoms.

By looking in areas with highest rates of infection, you are more likely to get positive tests.

It is telling that over the past week to Sunday, a quarter of new cases were in the 20 local authority areas with the highest rates. They represent just 5% of total local authorities.

4. Hospital admissions aren't rising along with cases

As cases have risen in recent weeks, there hasn't been a corresponding rise in hospital admissions.

One theory is that more testing is uncovering a larger number of mild cases which don't need treatment. Another is that more of the cases are among younger people, who are less likely to become very ill.

Public Health England data shows people in the 20-39 age bracket are testing positive at higher rates than any other age group, and at higher rates than they were earlier in the pandemic. What's harder to say is why that is.

It could be behavioural or demographic - that younger people are more likely to have to go out to work, have public facing jobs, live in shared housing and go out to socialise.

But it could also be a function of how eligibility for testing has expanded. Younger age groups are much less likely to get seriously sick with coronavirus, and so earlier this year would not have found themselves in hospital where they would have been tested.

5. Young people are testing positive at higher rates

Public Health England data shows people in the 20-39 age bracket are testing positive at higher rates than any other age group, and at higher rates than they were earlier in the pandemic. What's harder to say is why that is.

It could be behavioural or demographic - that younger people are more likely to have to go out to work, have public facing jobs, live in shared housing and go out to socialise.

But it could also be a function of how eligibility for testing has expanded. Younger age groups are much less likely to get seriously sick with coronavirus, and so earlier this year would not have found themselves in hospital where they would have been tested.
 

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Yesterday the number of new daily infections fell from 2,948 to 2,420 so why isn't today's headline news "new infections plummet by nearly a fifth in 24 hours"? You can guarantee it would be the top story if new infections had risen by nearly a fifth!
 

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Yesterday the number of new daily infections fell from 2,948 to 2,420 so why isn't today's headline news "new infections plummet by nearly a fifth in 24 hours"? You can guarantee it would be the top story if new infections had risen by nearly a fifth!



I’m sure this has happened before we get a bit of a rise then it slowly drops back down again (might get the odd one in between as it drops), even that’s not rocket science
 

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Fair play to the BBC - they seem to be getting better the longer this goes on. Another article explaining the reality behind “spikes”.
It only really covers what has already been mentioned in various threads on the forum. However considering some of the articles they’ve published before, seeing more of these articles is definitely encouraging.
Yes, and i heard Sky news doing a similar article. Lets hope things are turning for the better.
No such luck on GMB this morning with Morgan and Reid both ranting about pubs still being open.
 

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No such luck on GMB this morning with Morgan and Reid both ranting about pubs still being open.

Perhaps they ought to close the GMB studio.

Must be a lot of transmission of droplets with all that hot air floating around.
 

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Perhaps they ought to close the GMB studio.

Must be a lot of transmission of droplets with all that hot air floating around.
I used to like them but i turned over this morning because they were just ranting the same thing over and over again.
 
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