Greybeard33
Established Member
From RTT, it appears that, from the May 2016 timetable change, Northern will only be borrowing only 4x185s from FTPE for the Blackpool/Barrow/Windermere services it is taking over, instead of the 5 units currently allocated to these services. The Northern 185 weekday diagrams appear to be as follows. These include early morning/late evening workings attached to four TP North/TP South diagrams, to enable stock rotation and overnight stabling of three units at Barrow and two at Blackpool.
Diagram 1:
1U02 0337 BlackPool North-Manchester International Airport 0502
(then TP 1P06 0530 MIA-NewCastLe 0819)
Diagram 2:
1C48 0435 Barrow-In-Furness-LANcaster 0531
2C00 0546 LAN-WinDerMere 0641
(WDM-OXeNholme shuttle)
1N27 1056 WDM-MIA 1323 (with 6 from PRE)
1N63 1329 MIA-PREston 1433 (with 6)
(one hour dwell at PRE)
1C54 1546 PRE-BIF 1703
1C76 1720 BIF-WDM 1858 (reverses at LAN)
(WDM-OXN shuttle)
1N39 2245 WDM-BPN 0016 (reverses at PRE)
Diagram 3:
1U50 0447 BPN-MIA 0617
(then TP 1P10 0634 MIA-MiddlesBRough 0912)
Diagram 4:
(TP 1P03 0252 YoRK-MIA 0515)
1N52 0527 MIA-BPN 0703
1N22 0736 BPN-MIA 0917 (with 6 from PRE)
1C52 0929 MIA-BIF 1205 (with 6 to PRE)
1N29 1213 BIF-LAN 1314
1C53 1320 LAN-BIF 1423
1N33 1441 BIF-MIA 1717 (with 6 from PRE)
1C56 1729 MIA-BIF 2006 (with 6 to PRE)
1N37 2015 BIF-PRE 2135
1C58 2147 PRE-BIF 2306
Diagram 5 (until 08 July 2016):
1C49 0615 BIF-LAN 0718
1C50 0733 LAN-BIF 0838
1N25 0850 BIF-PRE 1007
1C72 1029 PRE-WDM 1141
(WDM-OXN shuttle)
1N36 1803 WDM-PRE 1910
1C57 2008 PRE-BIF 2127
Diagram 6:
1U56 0648 BIF-MIA 0917 (with 4 from PRE)
1N58 0929 MIA-BPN 1103 (with 4 to PRE)
1U63 1140 BPN-MIA 1323 (with 2 from PRE)
1N63 1329 MIA-BPN 1502 (with 2 to PRE)
1U71 1540 BPN-MIA 1717 (with 4 from PRE)
1N68 1729 MIA-BPN 1911 (with 4 to PRE)
1U79 1944 BPN-MIA 2120 (with 7 from PRE)
1N74 2129 MIA-BPN 2303
Diagram 7:
(TP 1B85 1526 CLEethorpes-MIA 1826)
1N70 1900 MIA-PRE 2000
1U79 2010 PRE-MIA 2120 (with 6)
(then TP 1B96 2147 MIA-SheFfielD 2315)
Diagram 8:
(TP 1B91 1826 CLE-MIA 2135)
1C59 2200 MIA-BIF 0030
The following post detailed the current 185 diagrams, which continue until May:
Edit: From 11 July 2016, Diagram 5 is replaced by a Sprinter diagram. The 185 is presumably reassigned to partially replace 170 diagrams on South TPE. This will leave only 3x185 diagrams on Northern services for most of the day.
Diagram 1:
1U02 0337 BlackPool North-Manchester International Airport 0502
(then TP 1P06 0530 MIA-NewCastLe 0819)
Diagram 2:
1C48 0435 Barrow-In-Furness-LANcaster 0531
2C00 0546 LAN-WinDerMere 0641
(WDM-OXeNholme shuttle)
1N27 1056 WDM-MIA 1323 (with 6 from PRE)
1N63 1329 MIA-PREston 1433 (with 6)
(one hour dwell at PRE)
1C54 1546 PRE-BIF 1703
1C76 1720 BIF-WDM 1858 (reverses at LAN)
(WDM-OXN shuttle)
1N39 2245 WDM-BPN 0016 (reverses at PRE)
Diagram 3:
1U50 0447 BPN-MIA 0617
(then TP 1P10 0634 MIA-MiddlesBRough 0912)
Diagram 4:
(TP 1P03 0252 YoRK-MIA 0515)
1N52 0527 MIA-BPN 0703
1N22 0736 BPN-MIA 0917 (with 6 from PRE)
1C52 0929 MIA-BIF 1205 (with 6 to PRE)
1N29 1213 BIF-LAN 1314
1C53 1320 LAN-BIF 1423
1N33 1441 BIF-MIA 1717 (with 6 from PRE)
1C56 1729 MIA-BIF 2006 (with 6 to PRE)
1N37 2015 BIF-PRE 2135
1C58 2147 PRE-BIF 2306
Diagram 5 (until 08 July 2016):
1C49 0615 BIF-LAN 0718
1C50 0733 LAN-BIF 0838
1N25 0850 BIF-PRE 1007
1C72 1029 PRE-WDM 1141
(WDM-OXN shuttle)
1N36 1803 WDM-PRE 1910
1C57 2008 PRE-BIF 2127
Diagram 6:
1U56 0648 BIF-MIA 0917 (with 4 from PRE)
1N58 0929 MIA-BPN 1103 (with 4 to PRE)
1U63 1140 BPN-MIA 1323 (with 2 from PRE)
1N63 1329 MIA-BPN 1502 (with 2 to PRE)
1U71 1540 BPN-MIA 1717 (with 4 from PRE)
1N68 1729 MIA-BPN 1911 (with 4 to PRE)
1U79 1944 BPN-MIA 2120 (with 7 from PRE)
1N74 2129 MIA-BPN 2303
Diagram 7:
(TP 1B85 1526 CLEethorpes-MIA 1826)
1N70 1900 MIA-PRE 2000
1U79 2010 PRE-MIA 2120 (with 6)
(then TP 1B96 2147 MIA-SheFfielD 2315)
Diagram 8:
(TP 1B91 1826 CLE-MIA 2135)
1C59 2200 MIA-BIF 0030
The following post detailed the current 185 diagrams, which continue until May:
A few of the current Blackpool and Barrow 185 services become Sprinter workings, but also Windermere loses its only direct service from the Airport (will start at Preston) and one of its two direct services to the Airport will be cut back to Preston (with no onward connecting service).TPE 185 diagramming is complex, but it seems that on weekdays there are currently five 185s still allocated to Airport (MIA) - Blackpool (BPN)/Barrow (BIF)/ Windermere (WDM) services for most of the day, in addition to the six Northern 156s. From RTT, the 185 diagrams appear to be as follows:
Diagram 1:
1U02 0337 BPN-MIA
1N52 0527 MIA-BPN
1N22 0736 BPN-MIA (with 6 from PRE)
1C72 0929 MIA-WDM (with 6 to PRE)
(WDM-OXeNholme shuttle)
1U76 1803 WDM-MIA
(then to Sheffield 1B96)
Diagram 2:
1C48 0435 BIF-LANcaster
2C00 0546 LAN-WDM
(WDM-OXN shuttle)
1N27 1055 WDM-MIA (with 6 from PRE)
1N63 1329 MIA-PRE (with 6)
(one hour dwell at PRE)
1C45 1546 PRE-BIF
1C76 1720 BIF-WDM (reverses at LAN)
(WDM-OXN shuttle)
1N39 2245 WDM-BPN (reverses at PRE)
Diagram 3:
1U50 0447 BPN-MIA
(then to Middlesborough 1P10)
Diagram 4:
1U52 0532 BIF-MIA
1N55 0756 MIA-BPN
1U59 0941 BPN-MIA (with 5 from PRE)
1C53 1129 MIA-BIF (with 5 to PRE)
1N33 1432 BIF-MIA (with 6 from PRE)
1C56 1729 MIA-BIF (with 6 to PRE)
1N37 2015 BIF-PRE
1C58 2147 PRE-BIF
Diagram 5:
1C49 0616 BIF-LAN
1C50 0733 LAN-BIF
1N25 0850 BIF-MIA (with 4 from PRE)
1N61 1129 MIA-BPN (with 4 to PRE)
(two hour dwell at BPN)
5C55 1503 BPN-Manchester Oxford Road (MCO) (ECS)
1C55 1714 MCO-BIF
Diagram 6:
1U56 0648 BIF-MIA (with 1 from PRE)
1N58 0929 MIA-BPN (with 1 to PRE)
1U63 1140 BPN-MIA (with 2 from PRE)
1N63 1329 MIA-BPN (with 2 to PRE)
1U71 1540 BPN-MIA (with 4 from PRE)
1N68 1729 MIA-BPN (with 4 to PRE)
1U79 1944 BPN-MIA
1N74 2129 MIA-BPN
Diagram 7:
(from York 1P53)
1N70 1900 MIA-BIF
Diagram 8:
(from Ardwick 5P61 ECS)
1C59 2200 MIA-BIF
Due to the interworking with TP North and TP South and the rotation of pairings, I think timetable changes would be needed to introduce a different class of unit on any of these diagrams. However, if TPE's four remaining 170s are still going to Chiltern in February 2016, this begs the question of what will replace them between February and the May timetable change?
Edit: From 11 July 2016, Diagram 5 is replaced by a Sprinter diagram. The 185 is presumably reassigned to partially replace 170 diagrams on South TPE. This will leave only 3x185 diagrams on Northern services for most of the day.
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