Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Have I missed something? What makes you say that?
Ironing boards. And too short; they should have been 3 and 4-car sets.
Have I missed something? What makes you say that?
Though maybe another year of strikes will reduce passenger numbers further until this is adequate.
The routes they will be assigned to and the number of units that have been ordered mean they will always run as individual units.
I hope not! A minimum formation through the Castlefield corridor sounds sensible though
Ah, so you mean they will *always* be short-formed, i.e. 2s will run as 2s.
Utter disgrace; there is no room for 2-car running on the mainline any more and it needs to cease, particularly through Castlefield where there is a strong case to ban anything shorter than 3x23m or possibly even 4x20m. Though maybe another year of strikes will reduce passenger numbers further until this is adequate.
I hope not! A minimum formation through the Castlefield corridor sounds sensible though
That is ridiculous. On what planet do they thing that’s going to be enough?
Maybe the plan secretly is to get the 142s a reprieve and for each 195 to drag one along as extra capacity
Barrow/Windermere-Airport will be 2 coaches
I hope not. At present they are mostly 4-car Class 156 formations, which is about right for the demand. A 2-car Class 195 will be a substantial capacity downgrade even on a single Class 156, let alone two.
You missed out the "possibly" when you quoted me! Something is going to give. There are 176 coaches for 10 services, most of them around 2 hours each way.
Aren't a number of the Connect routes to use Class 170s? The Southport route certainly was, though I think Southport has been tweaked about a bit and may if I recall possibly get a Class 769 operated service via Picc instead. And I believe the 3 additional units which I think are 3-car are for Windermere.
I hope not. At present they are mostly 4-car Class 156 formations, which is about right for the demand. A 2-car Class 195 will be a substantial capacity downgrade even on a single Class 156, let alone two.
I genuinely can't think of a single Northern "express" route for which a 2-car DMU with a lot of space not used for seats (due to accessible bog etc) is even vaguely suitable. I was of the understanding that the 2-car order was because the ROSCOs wanted 2-car sets so they can be cascaded onto branch lines as wires are put up, so they (like Chiltern's sets) would mostly run in multiple. Any intention to actually run them as 2-car sets is ludicrous.
As long as it stays on the branch and doesn't adventure to Preston and south thereof.According to the Orr statistics, just over 400,000 passengers used Windermere in the latest year. That's, say, 1200 arrivals or departures, spread over about twenty services. So the average number of passengers at Windermere was 30. With another 15 using Kendal. So for most services, most of the year, a 2-coach train is more than adequate.
Possibly Bradford-Airport and Barrow/Windermere-Airport will be 2 coaches. I very much hope Liverpool-Airport will not be!
Many thanks!It was posted somewhere within this thread, easier to link the video than dig out the post.
According to the Orr statistics, just over 400,000 passengers used Windermere in the latest year. That's, say, 1200 arrivals or departures, spread over about twenty services. So the average number of passengers at Windermere was 30. With another 15 using Kendal. So for most services, most of the year, a 2-coach train is more than adequate.
the seats really are ironing boards, and very thin as well. I recently travelled on a Thameslink class 700 and found the seats awful. The problem was not the backs, but the base, which has a very thin layer of padding and I could feel a metal bar, which unfortunately for people of a boney pelvic structure is very uncomfortable indeedMany thanks!
Possibly ... Barrow/Windermere-Airport will be 2 coaches.
Currently there is no Windermere - Airport service. The Windermere - Piccadilly workings are 2-car 156s that portion work with a Blackpool - Piccadilly service, providing a 4-car formation between Preston and Piccadilly.I hope not. At present they are mostly 4-car Class 156 formations, which is about right for the demand.
No, they're through-gangwayed - see https://www.globalrailnews.com/2018/02/01/northerns-new-class-emu-unveiled-at-zaragoza/Are there any doors between carriages on the 195s?
I may have misinterpreted the question. I read the 'doors between carriages' question as doors that control access between the carriages, not that the main doors are situated in the middle of each vehicle rather than at the ends, which I'd have thought is fairly obvious from the outside? There is no inter-carriage door in that photo, only some tape across the gangway connection.That photo shows a door so the answer is yes.
What is more of a certainty is the launch of the 195s being ruined by complaints of overcrowding.
The depressing fact is that there seems to be no mention of a capacity increase on Northern’s busiest services.
The new units interiors will quickly look knackered due to extreme footfall.
the seats really are ironing boards, and very thin as well. I recently travelled on a Thameslink class 700 and found the seats awful. The problem was not the backs, but the base, which has a very thin layer of padding and I could feel a metal bar, which unfortunately for people of a boney pelvic structure is very uncomfortable indeed
The issue of ongoing industrial action can't be far from Northern's mind.There were at least 7 CAF units (195/331) parked up at Edge Hill today, and another 3 195s at Allerton.
Northern don't seem in much of a hurry to get these prize assets into service.
It's a glass door. You can see the light reflecting off it.
The Class 195s and Class 331s do not have inter-vehicle doors, glass or otherwise.