Going by the video mock ups they've uploaded to YouTube I'd say they're more like Pacers. No doors or such, but not open like a 700/345 either.
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Northern Class 331: Construction/Introduction Updates
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Going by the video mock ups they've uploaded to YouTube I'd say they're more like Pacers. No doors or such, but not open like a 700/345 either.
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Just ECS.
Looking at the walkthrough video I think they may have doors, I'm not sure I would read too much into the mockup video.
Apparently some Liverpool-Crewe via Chat Moss and Manchester Airport services will get them, alongside 319s.
Bletchleyite
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Liverpool-Crewe via Chat Moss? Is that a new one?
The Chat Moss stopper is being diverted to Piccadilly once additional TPE service on Chat Moss starts and joined on to the Piccadilly-Airport-Crewe service. It'll be a slow way of getting from Liverpool to the Airport or Crewe but will retain direct Piccadilly and Airport links for stations currently served by the Liverpool-Airport via Chat Moss service.
No draught screens either side of doors. Cold blasts in winter. Brrrrrrrrrr.
fgwrich
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They don't look like they've been installed yet to me, looking towards the ceiling there appears to be something which looks like they'll join into up there.
squizzler
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The inside frame bogies look almost identical to the Bombardier Flexx Eco range. I have not heard of Bombardier supplying these so I assume they are an in house design from CAF.
According to Roger Ford the development of an inside frame bogie proved quite a steep learning curve for Bombardier, and Siemens made quite a song and dance about it. I am surprised that we don't hear much about the running gear as far as the CAF stock is concerned. Apart from Stadler trains, who keep the mass of bogies simply by having fewer of them, having an inside frame bogie seems to have become de-riguer for the UK passenger market.
According to Roger Ford the development of an inside frame bogie proved quite a steep learning curve for Bombardier, and Siemens made quite a song and dance about it. I am surprised that we don't hear much about the running gear as far as the CAF stock is concerned. Apart from Stadler trains, who keep the mass of bogies simply by having fewer of them, having an inside frame bogie seems to have become de-riguer for the UK passenger market.
One plug socket per two seats is slightly annoying, I suppose at least there is *some* power! It would have been nice had they maybe have had the central plug socket then maybe a USB socket either side just for keeping your phone charged or whatever
Tam
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I saw 331 001 lurking at the back of a murky shed at Velim today.
Tam
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Another photo - samey I'm afraid, but not much choice of viewing angle available.
Bletchleyite
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I've found this hugely less of an issue with stock that has properly good HVAC and automatic closing after a period of time, as per the 350s.
Tam
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Which routes get 319s will change again next year and which routes get the 769s long term will depend on how much wiring Network Rail do.
Tam
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Live from Velim by mobile phone. Might go back tomorrow with a proper camera.
LOL The Irony
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Nice.
Halish Railway
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Geeky fact, but I've just noticed that the pantograph is closest to the DMS than the TS (on the 4 car variants).
edwin_m
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That's a little surprising as it means two four-car units coupled might only have the pans a bit more than two car lengths apart. This is obviously unaviodable with the three-car versions, but you'd think they would maximise the spacing where they can.
Are there any plans to run them as 8 cars?
61653 HTAFC
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Unlikely, as I don't think there are any routes where all platforms are long enough.
LOL The Irony
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Airport - Blackpool via the new route par Poulton.
Weren't the 378s done the same way when they were stretched from 3 to 4?
You are correct in that the pantograph on the 4-car 378s was next to a driving vehicle rather than in the centre of the formation, but given that the 378s aren't going to work in multiple (barring rescue situations) and generally are fairly low speed, the close proximity of the pantographs won't have been an issue. Quite the opposite if the train could likely end up working in multiple at 100mph!
Tam
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I was back at Velim today, the unit has been moved to the other end of the yard since last night (and yes, it is a 331, not a 195 
). As usual, they seem to put stuff like other trains and bushes in the way just to annoy photographers. Here are some photos - I have others, just let me know if there's an appetite and I will upload them too
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Don't let Grayling know, he will be getting then to add diesel generator rafts, battery rafts, or whatever his new alterative fuel source is this week. ;P
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Hydrogen tanks and a fuel cell.
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