Northern Steam services on the Settle and Carlisle

[Paul Duck]

I disagree that it's well advertised!

I rang the NRE ticketing helpline and they hadn't heard of it and then went to a Northern ticket office where they also hadn't heard of it and couldn't advise the correct restrictions.

It still amazes me that Northern ticket offices don't know about the Settle and Carlisle day ranger as we all received the brief about the ticket and all the guidelines that went with it. Even we have printed off the original brief to take with us next week just in case.
Really looking forward to it. Don't get very many chances to travel by steam for this length of journey for £15.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

It still amazes me that Northern ticket offices don't know about the Settle and Carlisle day ranger as we all received the brief about the ticket and all the guidelines that went with it. Even we have printed off the original brief to take with us next week just in case....

If you worked in a Northern ticket office you wouldn't be amazed about a lack of information, you'd be expecting it.

 

[Trainfan344]

Got reservations for the 17:15 on the 16th. Means I get steam haulage both ways!

 

[LeylandLen]

I believe Northern have an internal e-mail service, no doubt like many TOCs companies / organisations. As to whether the recipients actually read and note every e-mail is obviously open to question. No, I do not read every e-mail I get !!! They might all have info re Settle and Carlisle line in in-box unread !

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I believe Northern have an internal e-mail service, no doubt like many TOCs companies / organisations. As to whether the recipients actually read and note every e-mail is obviously open to question. No, I do not read every e-mail I get !!! They might all have info re Settle and Carlisle line in in-box unread !

In order to read an email you'd have to receive it, and that would require an email to be sent in the first place.

 

[janb]

In order to read an email you'd have to receive it, and that would require an email to be sent in the first place.

Indeed, found printed copy of the brief and went looking for the email, and realised we hadn't received it that way. Instead my own tendency to poke around every corner of the Northern intranet to find the randomly selected uploaded briefs in a million different places had discovered it.

 

[Paul Duck]

We are supplied with Northern E mail addresses and we got it. Would get onto powers that be within ur area of Northern. Bit shocking if u don't receive important e mails from your own company but we do.

 

[HowMuch?]

The service information on Opentraintimes is interesting.

The morning Appleby>Skipton service is 2Z22 on 14,15,16 Feb. The technical information is "Diesel loco with a 715 tonne load" (the regular services are shown as DMU).

Is there any particular reason the system doesn't mention Tornado?. Is the "assisting" diesel loco the one officially in charge? Or does the system just not have a tick box for "steam" ?

 

[Trainfan344]

The service information on Opentraintimes is interesting.

The morning Appleby>Skipton service is 2Z22 on 14,15,16 Feb. The technical information is "Diesel loco with a 715 tonne load" (the regular services are shown as DMU).

Is there any particular reason the system doesn't mention Tornado?. Is the "assisting" diesel loco the one officially in charge? Or does the system just not have a tick box for "steam" ?

System doesn't have a tick box for steam, look for the speed, 60 mph indicates steam haulage Chimney first, 45 mph indicates Steam Haulage, Tender first.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

We are supplied with Northern E mail addresses and we got it. Would get onto powers that be within ur area of Northern. Bit shocking if u don't receive important e mails from your own company but we do.

Makes no difference. For me it isn't shocking, it's normal.

 

[IanD]

We are supplied with Northern E mail addresses and we got it. Would get onto powers that be within ur area of Northern. Bit shocking if u don't receive important e mails from your own company but we do.

Didn't receive or didn't read? Seems to be some great pride taken in not bothering to read important emails by some staff :roll:

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Didn't receive or didn't read? Seems to be some great pride taken in not bothering to read important emails by some staff :roll:

Didnt receive. I'll give you an example of how it goes.

Staff briefing confirming steam train details came out on an internal site 12 hours or more after the general public found out reservations had become available. The internal site cannot be accessed by all staff and less than two thirds of staff "actively view" (I have no idea how that is measured as it is management speak). A link to the web page was posted on an "unofficial communication channel" that less than half the employees (including all management grades) are able to see (and managers claim cannot be constantly monitored). A request was submitted for an email to be sent out and was met with a reply of "you have a weblink, you don't need an email".

 

[Trainfan344]

Is Tornado in BR Green still?

 

[sprinterguy]

Is Tornado in BR Green still?

It's difficult to keep track with this one, isn't it (or is that just me)?

I believe that the loco is back in ex-LNER apple green livery with early 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' insignia.

 

[Trainfan344]

Haven't had it repainted into Northern Livery for the event? (Is that being saved for 60103?)

 

[Nevillehill]

Is Tornado in BR Green still?

Yes did a charter today to Shrewsbury.

 

[Condor7]

From the sound of it all the bookable tickets on Tornado will have now gone, is that correct? Also am I correct in understanding that there will be some carriages for walk on passengers and will it be all hell let loose to get on?

Thanks

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Reservable places are gone, three coaches will be unreservable but every passenger on board must have a seat.

 

[Houghj40]

A bit late in the day a full timetable with onward bus times for the three days

http://www.settle-carlisle.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Tornado-Timetable.pdf

It may just be worth turning up as a lot of non local folk I know have decided it's too far to travel on spec.

 

[Bevan Price]

A bit late in the day a full timetable with onward bus times for the three days

http://www.settle-carlisle.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Tornado-Timetable.pdf

It may just be worth turning up as a lot of non local folk I know have decided it's too far to travel on spec.

Yes - for those of us not living close to the line, the timings make it difficult to
access some of the steam trips by public transport.

 

[LeylandLen]

I assume Tornado will be in 'normal' mode going north to Appleby therefore tender first southbound to Skipton as not possible to turn at Appleby ?

 

[30907]

I assume Tornado will be in 'normal' mode going north to Appleby therefore tender first southbound to Skipton as not possible to turn at Appleby ?

Correct.

 

[Nevillehill]

Correct.

The 67 is on the rear.

 

[JonathanH]

The 67 is on the rear.

On the rear or at the Skipton end? Given the time available at Skipton and other services running will they be able to do a double shunt?

 

[Nevillehill]

On the rear or at the Skipton end? Given the time available at Skipton and other services running will they be able to do a double shunt?

I don't know Appleby very well but it will be staying there for 2 hours for water, now if tornado is facing north from Skipton that means the water tower must be north end of Appleby station.
I want a pic of it over Ribblehead but I'm not wasting time if the 67 is leading from Skipton.
Does any one know where Tornado is staying on Monday night as this will give a clue to its positioning.

 

[Trainfan344]

ECS movement appears to be this, timed for 60mph. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54829/2017/02/13/advanced

 

[Houghj40]

I don't know Appleby very well but it will be staying there for 2 hours for water, now if tornado is facing north from Skipton that means the water tower must be north end of Appleby station.
I want a pic of it over Ribblehead but I'm not wasting time if the 67 is leading from Skipton.
Does any one know where Tornado is staying on Monday night as this will give a clue to its positioning.

For what it's worth and the timings seem to support this,I have been told chimney first northbound, tender first southbound.

 

[JonathanH]

ECS movement appears to be this, timed for 60mph. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54829/2017/02/13/advanced

Going back a few steps, Tornado comes north from Stewarts Lane to Doncaster Monday afternoon.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54819/2017/02/13/advanced

At the same time, a class 67 works from Toton to Burton to pick up the coaching stock and take it to Doncaster.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54830/2017/02/13/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54828/2017/02/13/advanced

Combined, Tornado, the 67 and the coaching stock go forward to Appleby on the ECS movement posted by 'Trainfan344'.

 

[Houghj40]

From the sound of it all the bookable tickets on Tornado will have now gone, is that correct? Also am I correct in understanding that there will be some carriages for walk on passengers and will it be all hell let loose to get on?

Thanks

I have finally found reference to a queueing system being put in place for the unreserved seats. So no, not a scrum..... just a long wait, potentially in the cold.

 

[Deepgreen]

ECS movement appears to be this, timed for 60mph. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54829/2017/02/13/advanced

Ironic, with the passenger runs timed (according to RTT) for 45mph max!