Sad to say, but railwaymen (perhaps not all) live in a bubble at work compared to conditions for most of the rest of the population. For example my son is a dustbin man (refuse operative). His conditions include a term similar to "and any other work as reasonably applied by management".Yes the would.
It's a change to my working conditions, with increased productivity. There would be uproar if they did try to impose it without a vote as it contravenes DRI which would require amendment which was voted on last time.
It's not in my contract, or job description to open doors on any unit except ad-hoc ECS moves.
Sad to say, but railwaymen (perhaps not all) live in a bubble at work compared to conditions for most of the rest of the population. For example my son is a dustbin man (refuse operative). His conditions include a term similar to "and any other work as reasonably applied by management".
Ha Ha! Collection on the wrong day is caused by equipment failure (cancelled train), he works bank holidays, FLAT TIME, and open lids is a H & S issue. Good try!Could you therefore, please tell your Son, that I would like my bin collected on the right day and on a bank holiday. I would also like my bin emptied even when the lid isn't quite completely closed.
Ha Ha! Collection on the wrong day is caused by equipment failure (cancelled train), he works bank holidays, FLAT TIME, and open lids is a H & S issue. Good try!
I've worked Retail, Multi-Drop, Kitchens and some minor jobs inbetween. I'm now working on the Railway. Nothing has been more prescriptive as the Railway but everywhere I have been restricted by my Terms and Conditions.
Ha Ha! Collection on the wrong day is caused by equipment failure (cancelled train), he works bank holidays, FLAT TIME, and open lids is a H & S issue. Good try!
The standard reply. I presume EVERYBODY using that reply will be prepared to pay the extra income tax. council tax and prices in the shops to cover the cost of everybody racing to the top?I never understand these comparisons. Why is it always a race to the bottom rather than other industries should be similar.
“NHS nurses are underpaid, railway workers should be underpaid”
“Office clerks don’t get to negotiate terms and conditions, railway workers should not be able to”
Why is it okay that your son works bank holidays “FLAT TIME”. The fact you emphasised it shows that you know perhaps it’s not okay but hey he just puts up and gets on with it and so does his colleagues so in this case so should every other industry.
It’s a bit boring now
not tight job descriptions with the employee being able to refuse productivity improvements or demand more money for them
Office clerks don’t get to negotiate terms and conditions, railway workers should not be able to”
The standard reply. I presume EVERYBODY using that reply will be prepared to pay the extra income tax. council tax and prices in the shops to cover the cost of everybody racing to the top?
You’ll probably find some Royal, private and government chauffeurs around the world on similar or even higher salaries than train drivers , so by your analogy with cross country all taxi drivers should aspire to similar wages with no increase in productivity
It’s a strange strange industry where employees have so much ability to prevent improvements to their industry.
And people wonder why it is a struggle to get investment.
I'm a Band 2 NHS office admin worker. I know my place. I know I'm free to look for other jobs, and that I'm exceptionally lucky to have a job. This idea that we should always be agitating for action, always at odds with management, it's just not how we work. Maybe it's a railway thing. It doesn't always pay to be always up against things, I've found.
But that's not how the railway usually operates either. I worked in the industry for 20 years. Never went on strike; never worked to rule. Had one acrimonious dispute in 20 years (when they moved our place of work 50 miles away).
I don't doubt that at all, but it does take a glance at recent threads on here to get that impression. Very quickly after suggesting another way of doing things, RMT supporters would be hastily dismissing every point made as part of a wide anti-DfT anti-Tory policy.But that's not how the railway usually operates either. I worked in the industry for 20 years. Never went on strike; never worked to rule. Had one acrimonious dispute in 20 years (when they moved our place of work 50 miles away).
But that's not how the railway usually operates either. I worked in the industry for 20 years. Never went on strike; never worked to rule
It would be nice to think that a forward-thinking, professional, and co-operative, RMT might eventually surface, but I won't be holding my breath.
The industry always going to have to be allowed to stay united if it ultimately wanted to win the DCO argument after Southern was sorted, but the rail unions successful lobbying of influential politicians like Andy Burnham, Steve Rotherham and those controlling the Scottish and Welsh administrations ensured that couldn’t happenThat won’t happen whilst their current blackmailing methods keep working for the members. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas
So the only way it will happen is by the government “breaking” them (the RMT losing a strike at great cost to the members) or removing the need for their members jobs.
Which "industry"? Until the DfT and in particular Peter Wilkinson decided to pick a fight there was no appetite that I could see within the railway for this unnecessary fight at all.The industry always had to stay united if it ultimately wanted to win the DCO argument after Southern was sorted,
Isn’t that mainly due to the threat of strikes though?
Why aren’t tube trains all automatic despite the technology being decades old, why isn’t SWR metro DOO? Because of the threat of industrial action holding back progress.
it was widely recognised operational changes and reforms were long overdue The DFT and Peter Wilkinson were tasked with implementing the McNulty report, it wasn’t just a matter of recruiting an alternative boss that could implement change without any opposition from the hardline rail unions , that was always an impossible taskWhich "industry"? Until the DfT and in particular Peter Wilkinson decided to pick a fight there was no appetite that I could see within the railway for this unnecessary fight at all.
it was widely recognised operational cchangw was long overdue The DFT and Peter Wilkinson were tasked with implementing the McNulty report,
Isn’t that mainly due to the threat of strikes though?
Why aren’t tube trains all automatic despite the technology being decades old, why isn’t SWR metro DOO? Because of the threat of industrial action holding back progress.