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Correct:-/How did that happen, the computer system should not of allowed that function to work. But sometimes they only need to use the RA I suppose.
Dispatch staff not having their eyes on the job.
Correct:-/How did that happen, the computer system should not of allowed that function to work. But sometimes they only need to use the RA I suppose.
Dispatch staff not having their eyes on the job.
How did that happen, the computer system should not of allowed that function to work. But sometimes they only need to use the RA I suppose.
It'll be more expensive too... even if not ALL stations are barriered, most of them will need to be for it to have any effect.
That is clearly untrue. Manchester Metrolink is fully DOO but has no barriered stations whatsoever. PFs are a perfectly valid way of enforcing buy before you board in a DOO context, you just have to have frequent enough inspections.
By which time, you might as well have someone on every train.
By which time, you might as well have someone on every train.
Which is patently untrue, otherwise Metrolink would have financial issues caused by poor levels of fares income. Whereas it manages, unlike Northern, not to require any operating subsidy at all.
Well, Metrolink is hived off from having to serve some longish rural routes, which might have something to do with its miraculous subsidy free status.
Essential on lightly loaded long rural lines I'd have thought. Why might I be thinking of stations like St Bees, Thornton Abbey, and Kildale?
If the drivers are going to operate (at least release) the doors I think you're going to see more of them anyway. It will make the revenue part of the guard role much easier.
But nearly everyone realises that’s almost entirely down to whether a TOC wishes to spend time and money on training new recruits alongside the bargaining power of the de facto closed shop that exists within the drivers grade, rather than any meaningful difference in productivity between XC and drivers at other TOCs
From what I understand, the unions don't go on strike willy nilly. They still assess each case to see whether there is any merit to the member's case. I have knowledge of quite a few cases where the union was unable to help the member in question, so there is no guarantee at all there would be a strike.
That is clearly untrue. Manchester Metrolink is fully DOO but has no barriered stations whatsoever. PFs are a perfectly valid way of enforcing buy before you board in a DOO context, you just have to have frequent enough inspections.
The internet is great, you can find lots of useful figures.
https://www.rmt.org.uk/about/ballot...-of-doo-arriva-rail-north280217/?preview=true
I've never had my ticket checked on Metrolink.Quite , lets not forget that any strike ballot would also have to have a positive result returned by the members . Are a full TOC's worth of guards going to vote for action over a member that was not doing their job properly ? Perhaps the dismissed guards mates at their own depot might , but beyond that I dont think I would be willing to vote for action unless management had seriously wronged someone .
I dont think that metrolink is a good example for "frequent enough inspections" I can go a full week using it without experiencing a ticket check . I also dont think that theirs are in my experience entirely random . Anybody with half a brain can figure out fairly quickly when and where their tickets will be checked on metrolink .
I've never had my ticket checked on Metrolink.
I never said anything about the RA being interlocked with the CD. What I mentioned was interlock with the signal.
I’m fairly sure you can get the CD indication with the signal at danger, on some installations at least. The ‘off’ indication - if there is one - won’t illuminate until the signal’s cleared either, not just when the route’s set.Usually, the system was like this?. No train in platform, all buttons not active, train arrives in platform T.R.T.S function active.(unless signal already off) Plunger pressed, Route is set, then CD and RA functions should then activate and 'OFF' displayed on platform canopy, key inserted in CD switch, turned quarter turn, CD indicator on platform and signal, then RA given, CD indicator goes out and then RA indicator lights up on platform and signal, sorted.
Off topic, but needed to be highlighted.
I’m fairly sure you can get the CD indication with the signal at danger, on some installations at least. The ‘off’ indication - if there is one - won’t illuminate until the signal’s cleared either, not just when the route’s set.
An what percentage of the membership who were qualified to vote?
Or would that be inconvenient?
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An what percentage of the membership who were qualified to vote?
Or would that be inconvenient?
Nearly 900 guards. Doesn't take a genius to work out that it's a very large proportion of the staff, and those that did voted by a huge margin. How is the clutching at straws getting along?
Well, I hope they think it was worth it to potentially loose thousands in pay, and end up exactly where they started.Nearly 900 guards. Doesn't take a genius to work out that it's a very large proportion of the staff, and those that did voted by a huge margin. How is the clutching at straws getting along?
Well, I hope they think it was worth it to potentially loose thousands in pay, and end up exactly where they started.
I thought their aim was to remain where they'd started !
You’ll probably find some Royal, private and government chauffeurs around the world on similar or even higher salaries than train drivers , so by your analogy with cross country all taxi drivers should aspire to similar wages with no increase in productivitySo go on, enlighten us with more of your wisdom.
I thought their aim was to remain where they'd started !
I thought their aim was to remain where they'd started !
Well, quite. I think every single guard on Northern would have been happy with the outcome being their existing job on the existing T&Cs with no changes at all to working methods other than a fancy new fleet and a reasonable annual pay rise. Indeed that was the best case option, wasn't it?
It all depends on the outcome of the negotiations, if they end up with the same deal Scotrail signed up to then northern will have achieved absolutely nothing given the RMT offered that prior to the ballot, whereas a Greater Anglia or Merseyrail style proposal would be more of a genuine compromise by all concernedWell, I didn't word that too succinctly.
What I meant was Northern haven't obviously changed their position, there is, and until the end of the franchise always was going to be a second member of staff on every train.
All jobs were guaranteed, with no cuts in pay.
And yet they've lost a great deal of money and got Northern to change absolutely jack.