Oh dear on the ECML

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elementalpat

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Well, good luck to the people who have to travel down/up here later on.

Some major electrical issues on the line earlier and now a broken down train at Huntingdon to boot!
 
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Ah, I wondered why there was a 225 sat on the Down Fast at Biggleswade earlier...
 

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yes, this is why i sincerely hope that NR have learned the lessons for these new electrification schemes, or we may ask for the third rail back.
 

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I think I've managed to get off very lightly. On the 1640 KGX-PBO service, where I'm changing onto East Coast. All okay so far although I did see the stricken 225 being dragged southbound under 67 power.
 

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Earlier on the East Coast JourneyCheck page there was mention of a 1335 Retford - Inverness, but this has now been terminated at Edinburgh.

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But NRE lists the Chieftain is still running about 70 mins late at Edinburgh. Why isn't this mentioned on the EC JourneyCheck page?
 
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Hopefully, I will be able to talk to some folks I know to get a first-hand account of the true levels of disruption to FCC services in the evening peak. If there are any interesting alterations to report, besides what's posted here, I'll tell you. I did notice one or two EC services stopped at Huntingdon when they were most certainly not scheduled to earlier, which was interesting enough.

I have seen that there have been a good few cancellations earlier through the area on EC, and some delays of at least 30 minutes and often more on FCC and other TOCs. EC have had delays up to around 180 minutes, too!
 

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yes, this is why i sincerely hope that NR have learned the lessons for these new electrification schemes, or we may ask for the third rail back.

You do realise this is the second time recently that you have insinuated its an NR fault when it isnt?

This has nothing to do with the OLE but rather a loss of signalling caused by someone outside the industry cutting a cable.
 

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This has nothing to do with the OLE but rather a loss of signalling caused by someone outside the industry cutting a cable.

Thought the power outage to signals was caused by a few blown fuses, which could happen anywhere to any business.
 

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Yep, saw the broken 225 parked on the down fast at about 3.35 as I was cycling home from school. There's often been trains parked at Huntingdon for one reason or another.

No denying that there have been quite a number of infrastructure issues on the ECML.
 

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I think I've managed to get off very lightly. On the 1640 KGX-PBO service, where I'm changing onto East Coast. All okay so far although I did see the stricken 225 being dragged southbound under 67 power.

I think you will find it wasn't a Class 67 which rescued it but rather a Class 66 - I saw it twice (once running northbound light engine and the second time dragging the train towards Huntingdon).

I know this is usual but I'm positive I know what I saw!
 

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I think you will find it wasn't a Class 67 which rescued it but rather a Class 66 - I saw it twice (once running northbound light engine and the second time dragging the train towards Huntingdon).

I know this is usual but I'm positive I know what I saw!

I have to admit that I saw it at fairly high speed and, seeing the EWS livery, I simply assumed it was a 67! Quite an unusual working for a 66 I would imagine.
 

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This has nothing to do with the OLE but rather a loss of signalling caused by someone outside the industry cutting a cable.

So your core business is flat on its back and you are playing the blame game?
Who's job is it to keep the lights on so trains can run?

Thought the power outage to signals was caused by a few blown fuses, which could happen anywhere to any business.

Just another day at the office then...


Not deliberately trying to be awkward, but sometimes the ostrich mentality gets my goat.
Just add up the delay minutes.
 

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That explains why there was an EC 225 set sat at Neville Hill all afternoon then.
 
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So your core business is flat on its back and you are playing the blame game?
Who's job is it to keep the lights on so trains can run?

I blame the BTP. Why they don't have Bobbies stood along the ECML at 1 mile intervals so that they can keep the line clear, prevent cable cutting and find cuts when they happen, I just don't know. Things really have gone backwards in the last two centuries...
 
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The signaling issues today were quite bad but it was the failure of 1D13 1205 KX-LDS which caused the biggest problems, it took some time to rescue it and get it out of the way.
 

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I have to admit that I saw it at fairly high speed and, seeing the EWS livery, I simply assumed it was a 67! Quite an unusual working for a 66 I would imagine.

That's what I thought, just goes to prove that East Coast don't have to be restricted to using the 67s to rescue failures as 66s can be used - although the 66s don't have ETS.

I blame the BTP. Why they don't have Bobbies stood along the ECML at 1 mile intervals so that they can prevent cable cutting and find cuts when they happen, I just don't know. Things really have gone backwards in the last two centuries...

I'm going to take this as a windup as surely not even the poster is that idiotic to suggest a massive waste of limited resources by deploying staff in such a way!

Why not overhaul the scrap industry and regulate it, therefore making it harder for scrap thieves to nick signalling cabling and try to sell it onto crooked scrap dealers.

The signaling issues today were quite bad but it was the failure of 1D13 1205 KX-LDS which caused the biggest problems, it took some time to rescue it and get it out of the way.

What exactly was the problem which caused it to be declared a failure?
 

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I'm going to take this as a windup as surely not even the poster is that idiotic to suggest a massive waste of limited resources by deploying staff in such a way!

Good. ;)

Though considering how ludicrous some posts are on Rail UK sometimes, I can appreciate it's hard to spot who's joking and who is being deadly serious.
 

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Just reading through the EC forums (one held late this afternoon), and came across this
http://www.talk.eastcoast.co.uk/
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" Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:48 pm
Re: 3hr delays today due to breakdown at Huntingdon
Thank you for the comment -

The issue with the set failure today was related to power on the locomotive which prevented any traction power being gained over 5MPH. All efforts where made by our Control and the driver to get the set working under its own power which involved the driver changing ends and attempting to drive back from the southend.

Unfortunately this proved fruitless and altenrtaive contingent arrangements had to be deployed with a rescue locomotive being taken from a freight train at Biggleswade to go and assist (as this was considered to be a quicker option than to wait for the rescue loco from Kings Cross) at the same time a rescue loco was run from Doncaster to assist from the North end. This action ensured that all eventuality was covered in rescue arrangements.

The additonal time is then taken to attach the rescue locomotive and wait for the air to build up throughout the train so that the brakes can be released and the added complication was that a set of points had to be secured as it was a wrong directional movement to Huntingdon to finally move the set clear.

So in essence the response was effective and the correct fault finding proceedures where applied to try and avoid the need for a rescue locomotive, unfortunately due to the location and the fact that Network Rail staff had just finished responding to a major signalling failure at Grantham earlier made recovery slightly more difficult that it would normally have been.

Kind Regards

Danny Williams
Operations Director
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"The issue with the set failure today was related to power on the locomotive which prevented any traction power being gained over 5MPH. All efforts where made by our Control and the driver to get the set working under its own power which involved the driver changing ends and attempting to drive back from the southend."

Not sure I'd want to be on or anywhere near a train being driven from the wrong end (or even the back cab of the loco). :)
 

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Not sure I'd be too happy being driven to Southend if I was trying to get to Yorkshire...
 
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Yes but the set's have cabs at both ends, and my meaning is that the driver changed ends and into the DVT's cab and attempted to take power from there, suggesting that there may have been a problem with the cab controls or safety systems in the 91's north facing cab.
 

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Ah, I knew they had used the 66 from the Plasmor sidings at Biggleswade - granted I wasn't aware about the Doncaster 67 though.
 

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You do realise this is the second time recently that you have insinuated its an NR fault when it isnt?

This has nothing to do with the OLE but rather a loss of signalling caused by someone outside the industry cutting a cable.

yeah, but it's all very well having super high tech centralised control of everything if everything can be stopped for hours on end by one thing going wrong. That's the problem with centralisation of everything, one thing going wrong can stop everything, and everyone has to wait hours while Rapid Response Squads scramble in a van from 150 miles away.* And it's exactly the same whether it's signalling or power supply. It's really not a great step forward.



* before anyone takes me literally and says "actually, they came from Peterborough, which is only 76 miles", I'm being Rhetorical
 

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yeah, but it's all very well having super high tech centralised control of everything if everything can be stopped for hours on end by one thing going wrong. That's the problem with centralisation of everything, one thing going wrong can stop everything, and everyone has to wait hours while Rapid Response Squads scramble in a van from 150 miles away.* And it's exactly the same whether it's signalling or power supply. It's really not a great step forward.

You may not think that it's a great step forward, but it's the step forward being taken.

The national railway network is not a quaint little heritage line, it's a great big industrial monster that needs to evolve to survive.

If you were building the railway network from scratch today would you build it with loads of little signal boxes operated by men pulling levers and communicating with bells?
 

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So is this the folly of going electric instead of sticking to diesel? (of course assuming there were very real reasons for moving away from diesel in the first place?).

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Earlier on the East Coast JourneyCheck page there was mention of a 1335 Retford - Inverness, but this has now been terminated at Edinburgh.

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But NRE lists the Chieftain is still running about 70 mins late at Edinburgh. Why isn't this mentioned on the EC JourneyCheck page?

At first, a Southbound HST was turned around at Retford with a view to running to Inverness. However, because of the length of the disruption, this train was terminated at Edinburgh to provide stock for a Southbound service, and it was the 'original' Highland Chieftain, which was 'only' around an hour late leaving England, that ran through to Inverness.
 

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So is this the folly of going electric instead of sticking to diesel? (of course assuming there were very real reasons for moving away from diesel in the first place?).

Mailman

The incident was to do with (a) cable problems in the Grantham area (b) a 91 which developed a fault after standing for a while , so it could not move above 5mph.

On the grounds that the down fast was blocked in the peak at Radlett last Friday with a HST which had "loss of air" - am not sure why there is a vendetta in your views about electric traction.

Are you suggesting a return to A4 Pacifics ?
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So is this the folly of going electric instead of sticking to diesel? (of course assuming there were very real reasons for moving away from diesel in the first place?).

Mailman

The incident was to do with (a) cable problems in the Grantham area (b) a 91 which developed a fault after standing for a while , so it could not move above 5mph.

On the grounds that the down fast was blocked in the peak at Radlett last Friday with a HST which had "loss of air" - am not sure why there is a vendetta in your views about electric traction.

Are you suggesting a return to A4 Pacifics ?
 

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Not sure I'd be too happy being driven to Southend if I was trying to get to Yorkshire...

Or even Northend for that matter, I am sure there are no tracks leading to this particular football ground! :roll::lol:
 
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