True stories brah
Those days of the railway still exist and there are still a few "old fashioned" Managers but they are dying out and every Driver should be filing out a fatigue form
some come in as graduates
There is no discrimination and no specific policy (that I am aware of) about cramps. Many of the ladies who work for my TOC have taken time off when the moon swings in their direction .
It is a very simple, non discriminatory, easy peasy, lemon squeezy thing to understand.
If you are unfit for duty, you do not drive.
I'm not questioning this; it's a question as to what point continued unfitness for duty because an attendance issue.
If one concludes that this is too much time off work to be allowed, then surely one most forbid both groups of people from driving as they are ultimately comparable in time off.
(But even that is a simplification: when Ramadan falls during the height of winter if you deliberately arrange shifts to suit, it might be possible for them to work their normal hours.)
...as they are ultimately comparable in time off...
Driver is now called in for a disciplinary interview and issued with a warning for attendance.
Few weeks later, at the booking-on counter:
Driver "I slept badly last night and I feel fatigued."
Manager "Are you fit for duty, yes or no?"
Driver "No".
Manager "So you're reporting sick then?"
Driver "I don't want to report sick but"
Manager "Are you sick, yes or no?"
Driver "No, hopefully I'll be ok".
Later that shift, SPAD.
I confess I don't have a solution to how the above state of affairs should ideally be managed, but I've seen the above so many times.
What would happen if someone was repeatedly unfit for duty through no fault of their own but it wasn't medical related either (for example if it was caused by noisy neighbours )
when Ramadan falls during the height of winter if you deliberately arrange shifts to suit, it might be possible for them to work their normal hours.)
If there is no evidence for such problems then some parts of this discussion are unfounded and apparently unnecessary speculation.
As to your medical fasting. I have no doubt that you were given a warning regarding fasting and driving. I have had a few hospital trips recently and the guidance is that patient transport can be arranged if you believe you are unfit to drive due to fasting or medication.
:? Graduates in most industries seem to try and bring in ideas which staff at the coal face can see from a mile away will fail miserably
That's a broad and demeaning statement. Don't know where you're getting this idea from.
I could never work out the attitude amongst (certain) managers that a Graduate Manager is supposed to be the answer to a TOC's prayer, but graduates in other jobs (of which there are many, in all grades) don't have a clue what they are talking about and are obviously not bright enough to understand the big picture...On the railways, probably from experience of seeing 1001 new graduate managers think they are the greatest gift since whatever.......
I could never work out the attitude amongst (certain) managers that a Graduate Manager is supposed to be the answer to a TOC's prayer, but graduates in other jobs (of which there are many, in all grades) don't have a clue what they are talking about and are obviously not bright enough to understand the big picture...
Sorry, I didn't phrase my post very well, re-reading it. What I meant was that there are a lot of graduates working in "coal face" jobs on the Railway, but as they are not wearing a suit, the fact that they are educated to degree level doesn't seem to count.Graduates tend to know the job on paper but not practical. What it says on paper often doesn't work in practice.
However as the RAIB haven't confirmed that it is a factor or not as of yet, we can't go into assumptions.
That's a broad and demeaning statement. Don't know where you're getting this idea from.
Graduates tend to know the job on paper but not practical. What it says on paper often doesn't work in practice.
I am not a defender of doing stupid **** for religion, but if the driver saw the signal and believed the signal was not for him that is not caused by hunger induced inattention, that is caused by lack of training.
However it is deeply disturbing there have been two serious accidents caused by driver inattention/training on GWR's networker trains in the last year. Maybe driver training and performance managment needs a serious review.
What was the other incident? My minds gone blank... I presume there are minor incidents everyday that we all don't know about, there will always be odd incidents, there's mix conflicts of what's gone on here :-/
Hayes & Harlington passenger incident.
Precisely. The TOC can accommodate people in their roles. Ours do it all the time. The AAW procedure isn't just about the number of sick days you have off. Everything else must be explored before that route is taken. If a Driver is having issues for whatever reason then they should not just phone in sick. Talk to your Line Managers and discuss options and act professionally. Off track, light duties etc will never trigger AAW procedure (or at least shouldn't)
I think your over complicating it. If your "sick" then you go sick. If your unfit to drive, then don't. If you have "issues" talk to your Manager.
Round my way they frequently remind us that there is no such thing as light duties and you're either fit to work or you're booked sick.
The usual question is "Can you walk a mile and a quarter? No? Then go home, your Managing for Attendance meeting is on Monday."
The usual question is "Can you walk a mile and a quarter? No? Then go home, your Managing for Attendance meeting is on Monday."