Peregrine 4903
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The xx33 is the peak extra Liverpool departureExcept at Peak times for the extra Liverpool departures?
The xx33 is the peak extra Liverpool departureExcept at Peak times for the extra Liverpool departures?
Except you can't do it continually regardless of the grade separation, because the platforms have to be grouped, i.e. King points , Queen points etc, fanning out. The grade separation allows movements to one side of the station conflict free with the other side, but there are still platform end conflicts to resolve - which you can only do by very careful and accurate timetabling. So if you can use the type of repeating half-hourly pattern I outlined above, you can minimise this conflict, but if you try to timetable departures at different intervals (i.e. to meet a hypothetical platform occupancy target) then it all falls to bits rather rapidly.
Sorry but it doesn't work like that, so you are going to be disappointed. It's not one big cake that gets divided up according to priorities, rather money will be borrowed / created by the Government to pay for HS2, based on the anticipated future income. Cutting back HS2 platforms at Euston may well reduce the number of trains able to run and / or the levels of reliability and punctuality of those services, thus reducing future income.It's a nice to have but if planners and operators having a slightly harder job means that some cancer patients get extra funding or more lines elsewhere get investment, I'm all for cutting back to ten platforms, especially as it appears that it makes the whole station far easier to construct.
I expect the government is reducing expenditure but will still expect the industry to 'produce' an 18tph timetable with infrastructure as provided (ie 9 platforms). The delays and performance issue will be a future government to grapple with / resolve. Just look at the way the East Coast was wired in the late 1980s and early 1990s and is now being upgraded some 25 to 30 years on. Who in government then is still in government now?Sorry but it doesn't work like that, so you are going to be disappointed. It's not one big cake that gets divided up according to priorities, rather money will be borrowed / created by the Government to pay for HS2, based on the anticipated future income. Cutting back HS2 platforms at Euston may well reduce the number of trains able to run and / or the levels of reliability and punctuality of those services, thus reducing future income.
The Government will need to face up to the hard choices: if you reduce expenditure on Euston station then you will need to reduce the maximum number of trains per hour and / or accept a lower level of reliability on the HS2 network. There is no hiding from that, and they need to be open and honest with the public as to the choices they are making and the reasons for them.I expect the government is reducing expenditure but will still expect the industry to 'produce' an 18tph timetable with infrastructure as provided (ie 9 platforms). The delays and performance issue will be a future government to grapple with / resolve. Just look at the way the East Coast was wired in the late 1980s and early 1990s and is now being upgraded some 25 to 30 years on. Who in government then is still in government now?
I expect the government is reducing expenditure but will still expect the industry to 'produce' an 18tph timetable with infrastructure as provided (ie 9 platforms).
The pennies probably dropped in the treasury that the rail industry is very rarely able to deliver on its projects anyway:The Government will need to face up to the hard choices: if you reduce expenditure on Euston station then you will need to reduce the maximum number of trains per hour and / or accept a lower level of reliability on the HS2 network. There is no hiding from that, and they need to be open and honest with the public as to the choices they are making and the reasons for them.
Though if you're spending a huge amount on fancy high speed trains, it's not exactly going to cost hugely more to order them with windows spaced to your intended seating layout.
So that passengers get a better view of the tunnel walls.
Yes, you, SNCF. Misaligned seating in First Class is unacceptable.
If DfT were to learn anything, it should be that repeatedly paring and descoping of projects often increases the risk of failure. Like so many top down critics, they don't understand that no more than 2 of the 3 'bests' * can be delivered simultaneously.The pennies probably dropped in the treasury that the rail industry is very rarely able to deliver on its projects anyway:
Thameslink,
Cross Rail
Great Western Electrification
West Coast Modernisation
Cross Manchester Link
DC power fiascos
Picadilly Line
I could go on.
I know but the cynic in me....10 platforms.
I know but the cynic in me....
How many platforms are used by Avanti at Euston (9tph normally - 3 Brum, 3 Manc, Glasgow, North Wales and Liverpool) these days?
Plus the 2nd Scotland via BrumHow many platforms are used by Avanti at Euston (9tph normally - 3 Brum, 3 Manc, Glasgow, North Wales and Liverpool) these days?
That's included as one of the 3 brums.Plus the 2nd Scotland via Brum