DJH1971
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Especially given that all other 805's (except 805006) are in service
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Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets
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mansonlo49
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Yes, now just down to 002 and 006 to enter service
Peter Sarf
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It had just been explained.
Also - often one (or two) of the earliest in a fleet does a lot more testing to discover any general design weaknesses. Sometimes sent abroad to a test track or climate testing installation. Often without proper interiors so can quite often be a long way down order by the time it enters service.
None of the 805 or 807 went abroad or for climate testing.
805001 had no interior fitted when testing, I think (happy to be corrected) that 002 upwards were all fully fitted out when left factory.
Peter Sarf
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It is usually the first one or two in any type that get way-laid for a lot of testing. Type testing is a phrase that seems to be used.
Given these (805s and 807s) are not really much (?) different from 800s and 801s I would expect type testing to be less important or less involved.
There is always the testing that Avanti would have wanted for their specific route and usage - how much ?.
But for for a version quite different (the 810s) I would expect it to all need type testing again, certainly more than these 805s and 807s.
Zakaria Fadel
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Does anyone know when 805006 will enter service?
DJH1971
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Just leaves 807002, 807009 and 807010 for all the remaining Everos to delivered.
mansonlo49
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807002? This is in service already
This will only leave 807009 and 807010 as the remaining 2 units left to be delivered for Avanti.
Zakaria Fadel
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What about 807009 and 807010?
I don’t know.
Theburritoz
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The 807s are not bimode only electric, the OP was talking about the 805s
Zakaria Fadel
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Yes, I’m aware that the 805s are bi-mode and the 807s are fully electric.The 807s are not bimode only electric, the OP was talking about the 805s
DJH1971
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My apologies. Got confused with 805002 there for a moment.
SolomonSouth
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I haven’t been on 805s that much but they definitely have a better ride quality at speed and a nicer ambience compared to the 221s they replaced.
LordFlashheart
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On 1500 Euston to Holyhead. 805010 and 805012. Arrived in to Euston on electric but just before departure diesels were started and we're now running down the electrified WCML on diesel power, not lost too much time as yet.
Jacob Porrett
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The other day at work I noticed an 805 waiting at the signal before entering Crewe and it dropped it's pantograph to go onto diesel mode. Is this a normal occurrence because it was the first time I noticed/spotted it?
Pendomonium
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There was a speed restriction on the set in AC mode due to pantograph issue on the leading vehicle of 805010. There was no such restriction in diesel mode.... thus I believe just 4 minutes was lost & the driver got to refresh mainline operations in diesel mode.
GhostManDN91
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Can the 805s still get high speeds on diesel mode does anyone know? I've only been on the 800-802s currently.
hexagon789
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They should be able to make 110mph alright, the gensets produce the same 'restricted' power in diesel mode as LNER's Azumas, about ~750bhp.
notadriver
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Are they hard wired for 110 mph max ?
hexagon789
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I believe they just have a sticker in the cab that reads 'No TASS fitted, 110mph' or something similar.
Pendomonium
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As evident by the 10 car run from EUS.... yes. Even with one gen set out on one of the units. Takes a while to get going, but they do get there.
No. The TMS is hard wired for 125 mph max. Its up to the driver to set the TMS speed limiter to the required lower value as appropriate.
807005 finally in passenger service today...
1F11 0636 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street;
1A22 0943 Liverpool Lime Street to London Euston;
1F22 1243 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street;
1A58 1543 Liverpool Lime Street to London Euston;
1F34 1843 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street;
5F34 2129 Liverpool Lime Street to Edge Hill Depot
1F11 0636 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street;
1A22 0943 Liverpool Lime Street to London Euston;
1F22 1243 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street;
1A58 1543 Liverpool Lime Street to London Euston;
1F34 1843 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street;
5F34 2129 Liverpool Lime Street to Edge Hill Depot
TheHovisKid
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A pair of shiny new ones at Preston this morning, just before 8. One on the parcels platform (010} and another on P1 (004, if car numbers match)
LordFlashheart
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Thanks for the explanation. Why couldn't the other pantograph be used?
Still no resolution to the never working seat reservations, which seems to be related to either the short turnrounds at Euston or joining sets at Chester
If the other pantograph was used that would then mean a speed restriction of I believe 100mph.
Tilting007
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Correct.
For a 10 car 805 the Pans at either end must be in use for speeds up to 125.
A 100 restriction is if both front of both rear are in use and if the two pans next to each other (rear on front unit, front on rear unit) its 80mph.
I think on diesel the 805 tops out somewhere around 116mph…
hexagon789
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Ties in well with the oft-reported/recorded 117/118mph max of an Azuma on diesel.