Sitting on a Class 800 GWR service now and it looks the same density but better aligned with the window, although the window looks smaller than that of a Class 800?
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Bletchleyite
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The bodies including the windows are the same size. They are standard 80x.
You're right it was an 805 I saw. Had forgotten the 807s are electric-only. Still looked impressive in light grey undercoat, though.
AlastairFraser
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Seen an 805/807 on test at Lancaster today I believe. Apologies for the poor quality pictures, it's something I happened to chance upon while I was at the station myself.
pokemonsuper9
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That is indeed an 805
you can very slightly make out the number 805 001 but it is indeed quite obscured.
hexagon789
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It'll be 805001 on 5Q90 18.34 Oxley Car M.D - Glasgow Central and 5Q91 the 2312 return. The regular paths I understand.Seen an 805/807 on test at Lancaster today I believe. Apologies for the poor quality pictures, it's something I happened to chance upon while I was at the station myself.
AlastairFraser
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Just seen it on RTT, it is the test service our member from Stafford saw yesterday, heading towards Glasgow.
Snap!
Here's the RTT link: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K05044/2023-04-26/detailed
hexagon789
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It's interesting that the path mimics a stopping service to Glasgow, despite there being no intention of running them in revenue service up here.
AlastairFraser
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The electric 807s may be used on Brum to Glasgow, right? And they're not that dissimilar, it's running in electric mode the vast majority of the distance.
Bletchleyite
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They're not intended to be used on those, though if the second Liverpool doesn't start then who knows?
hexagon789
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I believe it's the other of the three Birmingham services - the new semi-fast. I understand the through service to Scotland should be one of the 'fast' paths and a 390.
Bletchleyite
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Correct, they're intended for the Euston-Watford-MKC-Rugby-Coventry-Intl-New St semifast and the second Liverpool. Currently the Scotland service runs in that semifast path south of Brum but it won't once the 807s are in service and they have enough staff.
AlastairFraser
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The semi-fast might end up being a stopper with Avanti's rate of cancellations though
Pre-empting themselves
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hexagon789
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The intention anyway
In which case there will be a free 390 they can use anyway!
AlastairFraser
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With their luck, the 390'll go on strike too!The intention anyway
In which case there will be a free 390 they can use anyway!
hexagon789
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No commentWith their luck, the 390'll go on strike too!
LNW-GW Joint
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Won't it just be for gauging purposes, so that the class can be cleared throughout the Avanti network?
One day an 805 will make it to Holyhead/Wrexham/Shrewsbury, which are intended to be their main theatre of off-wire operation.
Bletchleyite
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80x can already go up there, TPE have run one in service. It'll just be a convenient test path.
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PresumAbly as per the Voyager’s recent role with Carstairs - potential for a need for diesel traction in otherwise electric only routes will be high.
voyagerdude220
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You'd hope/think so, but I suspect Avanti may simply insist on running rail replacement busses in times of disruption/engineering work taking place.
Rail Quest
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Hi all, does anyone know any further information regarding the issues with 805001/003 today? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K01221/2023-05-03/detailed
LNW-GW Joint
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I saw 805 001 on the through lines at Crewe around 1140 today, but it moved off southwards before I could get close.
Suffered an issue with low power so never made it further than Crewe, but was planned for Glasgow. Returned to Oxley
Rail Quest
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Ahh OK - thanks for the info!
Ahh, could this have been after she left Crewe Down Refuse? This video showed her heading for it when she first failed
childwallblues
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And why should it not start?
DfT imposed 10% funding cuts.
LNW-GW Joint
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It was on the Loop lines between P11 and 12.
pokemonsuper9
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The timing was put in on Dec 22 timetable change as they're a bit slower due to lack of tilt, it's very likely to be the usual Class 390 (or a 221 if that was shown when you booked your tickets).
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No. This is a case where the timetable has been adjusted prior to the trains entering service. Because they cannot meet existing timings the timetable has to be tweaked in advance.
But in the opposite situation where a new train can match the existing timings, or better them, the timetable would be altered once all the new trains were in service.