Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[Boodiggy]

I don't think so - Stafford (or Coventry for the Birmingham services) seems to be the first stop out of (last stop before) Euston

New Street services formed of 805s should stop at Watford, MK and Rugby before Coventry.
Not sure what diagrams are officially allocated and confirmed yet.

 

[The Planner]

There's already 4.5 mins of engineering and pathing allowances between Euston and Crewe- so as long as there isn't any major TSR, and they can be driven flat out (like they stole em) - then the delay should be minimal.

There will be retimings.

 

[norbitonflyer]

According to my reckoning, the following are 805 worked Monday to Friday (if stick to diagram)

1202 Euston to Chester, 1502 Euston to Holyhead, 1702 Euston to Hoyhead and 2002 Euston to Holyhead.
return workings are
648 Holyhead to euston, 920. Chester to Euston, 853 Holyhead to euston, 1248 Holyhead to euston and 1732 Chester to Euston.
Feel free to edit

Looking at RTT, these appear to be diagrammed as follows? But there are some mysteries.

[mainly deleted in the lighht of further and better particulkars below) better f

1A26 0853 Holyhead to Euston arr 1235
(this arrives on platform 15, from which the next deprature is 9G21, 1240 to Birmingham) In the present timetable, it seems the next diagrammed working for this arrival is 9J38 1816 Euston to Shrewsbury)

1D89 departs platform 2, but the previous arrival on that platform is 1A39 at 1441 from Manchester. In the present timetable, 1D89 is formed from the incoming stock of 1a38 (1232 Chester to Euston arr 1437, which Post 2105 says will still be a 221)
1D89 (B) 1502 Euston to Chester arr 1705

No doubt all will become clear

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Looking at RTT, these appear to be diagrammed as follows? But there are some mysteries.

(A and B indicate portion workings)

1D80 0530 Birm to Holyhead arr 0822 - (is this a double unit? If not, how does 1A50 get to Holyhead?)
1A26 0853 Holyhead to Euston arr 1235
(this arrives on platform 15, from which the next deprature is 9G21, 1240 to Birmingham) In the present timetable, it seems the next diagrammed working for this arrival is 9J38 1816 Euston to Shrewsbury)

1A50 (A) 1248 Holyhead to Euston arr 1637
1D91 (A) 1702 Euston to Holyhead arr 2058
1A14 (A) 0648 (next morning) Holyhead to Euston arr 1035 then to depot

1D89 departs platform 2, but the previous arrival on that platform is 1A39 at 1441 from Manchester. In the present timetable, 1D89 is formed from the incoming stock of 1a38 (1232 Chester to Euston arr 1437, which Post 2105 says will still be a 221)
1D89 (B) 1502 Euston to Chester arr 1705
1A68 1732 Chester to Euston ar 1935
1D94 2002 Euston to Holyhead arr 2341
1A14 (B) 0648 (next morning) Holyhead to Euston arr 1035 then to depot

1D89 (A) 1502 Euston to Holyhead arr 1847
1G00 1948 Holyhead to Birmingham arr 2251

1A19 0920 Chester to Euston arr 1135
1D86 1202 Euston to Chester, arr 1407
1A50 (B) 1432 Chester to Euston arr 1637
1D91 (B) 1702 Euston to Chester arr 1913

No doubt all will become clear

On Mondays to Fridays the 805 workings are as follows (6 units in traffic):

10-car 805:
1D80 05.30 Birmingham - Holyhead
1A26 08.53 Holyhead - Euston
1D89 15.02 Euston - Holyhead
Rear set detaches at Chester to work:
1A68 17.32 Chester - Euston
1D94 20.02 Euston - Holyhead

Front set continues to Holyhead and works:
1G00 19.48 Holyhead - Birmingham

5 car 805:
1A19 09.20 Chester - Euston
1D86 12.02 Euston - Chester
Attaches at Chester to 1A50

5 car 805:
1A50 12.48 Holyhead - Chester
Attaches to above then as 10 car 805 works the following:
1A50 14.32 Chester - Euston
1D92 17.02 Euston - Holyhead
Rear set detached at Chester

5 car 805
1A14 06.48 Holyhead - Chester
Attaches then as 10 car 805 works:
1A14 08.32 Chester - Euston
9G26 14.16 Euston - Birmingham
1B52 16.21 Birmingham - Euston
9G38 18.16 Euston - Wolverhampton

Will any of the 805 services starting in June stop at Milton Keynes?

Also, does anyone have any info on when we can expect the first 807s out on fault-free runs?

9G26 14.16 Euston - Birmingham and
9G38 18.16 Euston - Wolverhampton both call at Milton Keynes from the June timetable change M-F.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

For 1A19 (diagram which starts with 0920 Chester-Euston), there are ECS paths in from Oxley (presumably 805) and a Q path from Central Rivers (221).
So there appear to be some options on the day.

Three units (2x805, 1x221) appear to stable overnight at Holyhead (HHD), but only two (the 0548 221 and 0648 805) appear to leave in the morning.
The 0648 can't be a double set from HHD as it attaches a set at Chester.
The 0853 (double 805) comes in service from Oxley/Birmingham.

 

[DaveyJones]

For 1A19 (diagram which starts with 0920 Chester-Euston), there are ECS paths in from Oxley (presumably 805) and a Q path from Central Rivers (221).
So there appear to be some options on the day.

Three units (2x805, 1x221) appear to stable overnight at Holyhead (HHD), but only two (the 0548 221 and 0648 805) appear to leave in the morning.
The 0648 can't be a double set from HHD as it attaches a set at Chester.
The 0853 (double 805) comes in service from Oxley/Birmingham.

Doesn't the 12:48 start from a stabled unit? (As per #2134)

 

[norbitonflyer]

On Mondays to Fridays the 805 workings are as follows (6 units in traffic):

10-car 805:
1D80 05.30 Birmingham - Holyhead
1A26 08.53 Holyhead - Euston
1D89 15.02 Euston - Holyhead
Rear set detaches at Chester to work:
1A68 17.32 Chester - Euston
1D94 20.02 Euston - Holyhead

Front set continues to Holyhead and works:
1G00 19.48 Holyhead - Birmingham

5 car 805:
1A19 09.20 Chester - Euston
1D86 12.02 Euston - Chester
Attaches at Chester to 1A50

5 car 805:
1A50 12.48 Holyhead - Chester
Attaches to above then as 10 car 805 works the following:
1A50 14.32 Chester - Euston
1D92 17.02 Euston - Holyhead
Rear set detached at Chester

5 car 805
1A14 06.48 Holyhead - Chester
Attaches then as 10 car 805 works:
1A14 08.32 Chester - Euston
9G26 14.16 Euston - Birmingham
1B52 16.21 Birmingham - Euston
9G38 18.16 Euston - Wolverhampton



9G26 14.16 Euston - Birmingham and
9G38 18.16 Euston - Wolverhampton both call at Milton Keynes from the June timetable change M-F.

Thank you - no-one had previoiusly listed the three Euston - Birmingham- Euston workings. The platform information at Euston clearly can't be relied on to identify which outward service is formed from which inward one!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Doesn't the 12:48 start from a stabled unit? (As per #2134)

That must be it.
It was all a lot simpler when there was an 0450 Holyhead-Euston, and all three units left before the incoming Birmingham arrived.

 

[steeevooo]

Is there any indication as to when the MU signs might start being unbagged? One would hope sooner than later to actually get the most out of the 805s if they're coming into service!

 

[hexagon789]

Is there any indication as to when the MU signs might start being unbagged? One would hope sooner than later to actually get the most out of the 805s if they're coming into service!

As reported upthread, seemingly won't be happening for the timetable change. Therefore the 80x will be running at the PS limits and consequently there are some minor adjustments to timings to compensate.

 

[steeevooo]

As reported upthread, seemingly won't be happening for the timetable change. Therefore the 80x will be running at the PS limits and consequently there are some minor adjustments to timings to compensate.

I know that, my question was whether there is any indication as to when the signs might start being unbagged and the MU profile commencing.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

.

 

[voyagerdude220]

5 car 805:
1A19 09.20 Chester - Euston

If that's the first off peak train from Chester/Crewe, I guess it'll be extremely busy.

 

[H&I]

Do we know what the inaugural Class 805 service is? We know what the diagrams on Monday to Friday are, but it looks like the first day will be on Sunday.

 

[ROKinley]

Just seen an 805 at Lancaster Station, aparently doing tests up here as well.

Just seen an 805 at Lancaster Station, aparently doing tests up here as well.

At Preston on platform 7, taken from a neighbouring Pendulino

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

There are three ECS paths from Oxley to Chester on Sunday 2nd, which then form the 1014, 1332 and 1432* to Euston.
I'd have thought there was a good chance these are the positioning runs for three 805 sets.

* this is added at Chester to a unit from Holyhead, which might mean the 1036 Crewe-Holyhead, forming the 1248 Holyhead-Euston, is also an 805.
The 1036 from Crewe also has an ECS path from Oxley.

All speculation on my part from RTT data.
The first departure from Chester reaches Euston at 1237, and forms the 1302 back to Holyhead - maybe the first 805 passenger working to/from Euston.
There is also a 0905 Holyhead-Central Rivers ECS working, which looks like the exit of a Voyager set.

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[The_Train]

805003 heading north from Peterborough on 5Q06 to Oxley

Is this one now wearing the Avanti livery?

 

[Meyrick]

Do we know what the inaugural Class 805 service is? We know what the diagrams on Monday to Friday are, but it looks like the first day will be on Sunday.

1A16 10:14 CTR-EUS will be the first single
1D83 10:36 CRE-HHD will be the first double

(It's still early in the week, STP's are usually finalised Wednesday/Thursday so this might change!)

 

[norbitonflyer]

1A16 10:14 CTR-EUS will be the first single
1D83 10:36 CRE-HHD will be the first double

(It's still early in the week, STP's are usually finalised Wednesday/Thursday so this might change!)

Almost simultaneous with the first public passenger working to the Levenmouth branch -
0915 ex-Edinburgh: Kirkcaldy 1005, Canmeron Bridge 1019, Leven 1024

Choices, choices.................

(Although there are two departures from Leven at 0830 and 0930, having arrived ECS on Saturday evening)

 

[danbarjon]

Is this one now wearing the Avanti livery?

Should be I'd imagine.

 

[800001]

Is this one now wearing the Avanti livery?

It was yes.

 

[The_Train]

It was yes.

Thank you

 

[H&I]

Almost simultaneous with the first public passenger working to the Levenmouth branch -
0915 ex-Edinburgh: Kirkcaldy 1005, Canmeron Bridge 1019, Leven 1024

Choices, choices.................

(Although there are two departures from Leven at 0830 and 0930, having arrived ECS on Saturday evening)

Is it possible to do the first departure on the Levenmouth branch and then rush over to do a Class 805 service on the same day? I already made plans to stay for two nights at Levenmouth when the opening date for the extension was announced almost a hundred days ago, but I could probably cancel staying on Sunday night and book a last-minute ticket to Birmingham for one of the first Class 805 journeys on Sunday after doing the inaugural Levenmouth branch journey, or do the first one on Monday morning.

 

[92002]

Is it possible to do the first departure on the Levenmouth branch and then rush over to do a Class 805 service on the same day? I already made plans to stay for two nights at Levenmouth when the opening date for the extension was announced almost a hundred days ago, but I could probably cancel staying on Sunday night and book a last-minute ticket to Birmingham for one of the first Class 805 journeys on Sunday after doing the inaugural Levenmouth branch journey, or do the first one on Monday morning.

A bit off topic , but the official opening of Levenmouth is on 29th May. With an Official invited guests train at 0830 to Edinburgh.

Public services start on Sunday 2nd June.

 

[norbitonflyer]

A bit off topic , but the official opening of Levenmouth is on 29th May. With an Official invited guests train at 0830 to Edinburgh.

Public services start on Sunday 2nd June.

There's also a 1Z11 1335 Edinburgh to Leven on Saturday - non-stop and returns to Haymarket ECS

Is it possible to do the first departure on the Levenmouth branch and then rush over to do a Class 805 service on the same day?

There are replacement buses running between Edinburgh and Carlisle on Sunday. The first train from Leven arrives at Edinburgh at 0940. Going via Glasgow gets you to Crewe at 1500, missing the third Chester to Euston service (assuming the workings mentioned in post 2146 are 805-worked) by five minutes (1432 from Chester, 1455 from Crewe)

You can however get to Kings Cross at 1432, a full hour before the 1332 from Chester gets to Euston so you would have plenty of time to pick it up on its return north.

 

[Railperf]

And meanwhile, back in the real world...

I mean driven flat out within the posted limits as signals and railhead conditions, defensive driving policies allow - which does definitely happen in the real world - especially noted on late running trains where driver is keen to get to the end of their shift.
If my reading of the timetable is correct then there is space in the timetable to add up to 8 minutes between Euston and Colwich on some diagrams ahead of the Euston to Manchester via Stoke service. This is in addition to engineering allowances etc.
Haven't checked the up paths yet to see how this might work.

 

[danbarjon]

So should we expect an introduction to service on Sunday the 2nd of June?

 

[Hellboydce]

Just finished my training on them, nice to drive, but it was a lot to take in

 

[Railperf]

If yesterdays 8:02 test run to Preston is anything to go by, then approx 10 minutes extra required to reach Crewe albeit with a stop at Nuneaton instead of Stafford, but importantly cleared Colwich around 5 min ahead of the following Manchester service. Will the retimings to Crewe result in a shorter stop at Chester to maintain the North Wales scheduled timings. I'm assuming the long dwell at Chester is to allow for coupling / uncoupling of units.

 

[nigelsporne]

805010 is currently in the bay at Northampton.