I assume you'll be claiming Delay-Repay?For any parties interested in the HS1 incident, the ticket purchased at the TVM in Canterbury West was to Tilbury Riverside (routed TILBY EXCL FERRY.)
When I was able to leave Ashford International after a 3.5 hour delay, I was armed with an itinerary from the ticket office showing HS1 as a valid route for the ticket I held. This was witnessed by the gateline assistant who was surreptitiously ordered to keep tabs on me and intercept me if I tried to walk towards the platforms. The OBM on the train was actually very pleasant and I reached Stratford International. I was then detained at the station for 100 minutes. Initially by the gateline assistant who refused to open the barriers and refused to let me go until I either gave her some money, or she had satisfactory proof that any name and address provided was correct. Neither she nor any member of staff present was PACE trained, Authorised Collectors or appear to hold any level of training or competency in revenue protection beyond operating the gateline. She obviously didn't feel in the slightest bit intimidated as she was happy to keep me there against my will. So I called the BTP. The staff then also called the BTP. In a few hours, I'd gone from staff trying to force me off trains, to staff forcibly keeping me there against my wishes. Since the previous evening, I'd gone from Southeastern's staff swearing blind that I was obliged to take the shortest route (or direct train) to them swearing blind the shortest route was not a permitted route. Consistent or what?
After almost 60 minutes, an officer arrived and sided with the staff. I was let through the barriers for a PNB and after I asked the BTP officer why he felt it was necessary to follow me into the toilet, asked what would happen if I walked away. He said I'd be arrested for fare evasion, so I was forced to remain at the station.
An RPI was dispatched from St Pancras and I was issued with a £68.40 Penalty Fare for being off route. I tried to help the RPI by advising him not to issue the Penalty Fare due to it being against the Penalty Fare Rules, but he chose not to listen to me so I didn't argue any further. I quite willingly tendered £50 up front and in return, the RPI decided to retain my ticket and felt he was justified in saying it was perfectly fine for me to have to pay even more for a new ticket to Tilbury. I convinced him to change his mind however (he said only because I was polite and cooperative) and so after a delay of over 5 hours, I was finally able to go about my business.
As mentioned above, any offence can result in an arrest for a number of very generic reasons such as to enable the prompt and effective investigation of the offence or to prevent the investigation being hindered by the disappearance of the arrestee.Fare evasion was never an arrestable offence. The concept of arrestable offences no longer exists, but the rules would generally not apply:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrestable_offence#Replacement
In order for rj to be arrested, there would have to be grounds for it, such as him being violent or whatever. Obviously if the staff lie about this, then they may get in trouble with the police.
I seem to remember that all PLUS HIGH SPEED routes were going to be retired and replaced by ANY PERMITTED, with NOT VALID ON HS1 continuing.I also had a ticket to Hastings rejected by the STP barrier. In my case the ticket was looked at for about 20 seconds before they opened the gate for me. On board the guard didn't bat an eyelid and even told me which platform at Ashford the Hastings train would leave from.
Isn't the issue here that SE are trying to maxinise their premium fares for HS1 so that any ticket that hasn't had the +HS1 premium applied is automatically suspicious? Somewhat ridiculously my Finsbury Park to Hastings Rte Any Permitted ticket was priced by them, but rejected by the gate line anyway.
Perhaps they would prefer it if HS1 was operated like Heathrow Express ie not a part of the national network therefore a blanket ban on all tickets unless a premium is added to their satisfaction.
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The real issue here is RJ's lack of a meaningful remedy.