Recent DRS new loco tender result for new Class 93 locos

[Photohunter71]

I'll be keeping an eye open for news on this, I reckon we'll hear around the middle of the month.

 

[Photohunter71]

I wonder what class/TOPS number this new locomotive will get if it isn't a stage 3b 68?

 

[rebmcr]

I wonder what class/TOPS number this new locomotive will get if it isn't a stage 3b 68?

We already have a thread with fairly confident information — search for Class 93.

 

[Photohunter71]

It's a diesel only locomotive which rules out Class 93!

 

[whhistle]

And thus, Class 69 would seem the most logical.

 

[hwl]

And thus, Class 69 would seem the most logical.

Already bagged by GBRf for the 56 engine-ing programme.
72 as it was never made it to the side of a locomotive.

 

[Suraggu]

I wonder what class/TOPS number this new locomotive will get if it isn't a stage 3b 68?

Nothing stopping having a Class 68/X, with as long as Rolling Stock Libary numbers have not already been taken.

Look at the Class 66/9 for instance, modified engine, cooling and exhaust system etc yet still a 66.

 

[Photohunter71]

Or, they could resurrect the class 38/48 TOPS allocation depending on the Engine Hp rating, so are we looking at a brand new type 3 or 4 in that case?

 

[Photohunter71]

Still not heard a peep, anyone any further forward than me?

 

[DarloRich]

i am sure DRS will release details once they are ready. I am fairly sure they need to deal with their internal assessment and governance before telling the train buff world! it is always possible they may not proceed with the acquisition.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

The table a few posts above suggests an RA of 7 where RA5 or RA6 would have been ideal for this locomotive and methinks it will be a bit on the lardy side for a B0-Bo with extra equipment, therefore although based on the 68/88 platform, will it be a Co-Co wheelset?

I can't imagine that it would be a Co-Co design seeing as they said that it will be based on the 68/88 design. Although i do see your point about it being heavy.

 

[Photohunter71]

It has to be a Co-Co arrangement or else it'll be a porker like the 67's!

 

[Suraggu]

Bo-Bo was shown on the original artwork...

 

[hexagon789]

The mock-up drawing is definitely a Bo-Bo and it's supposed to be basically an 88 but with more grunt

 

[Photohunter71]

oh well, if that's the case, it'll be a bit of a porker and not a go anywhere loco due to route availability number being quite high.

 

[59CosG95]

oh well, if that's the case, it'll be a bit of a porker and not a go anywhere loco due to route availability number being quite high.

Well, ROG are still going to keep their BR 'vintage' locos for something

 

[Suraggu]

oh well, if that's the case, it'll be a bit of a porker and not a go anywhere loco due to route availability number being quite high.

Do you have proof it will be RA8 or above?

 

[Photohunter71]

I never said it would be RA8, I only surmised that it would have a high RA number due to extra axle loads if it's a Bo-Bo configuration.

 

[Spartacus]

Assuming that they're sticking with CAT engines, I'm guessing it'll be fitted with a C32, vice a C27 fitted in the 88, which is barely any heavier at all (according to wikipedia at any rate 71kg/11st 2.5lb/about one driver I think the wiki entry of the C32 may be a bit low, but not an enormous amount). The C32 does already have rail applications. Yeah, it'll need a bigger cooler group and have batteries, compared to the 88, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible to make savings elsewhere to compensate to a degree. I guess we'll wait and see!

 

[Gizzy]

I went to a talk at the Cambridge University Railway Club earlier this week.

The speaker was Karl Watts, the CEO of Rail Operations Group.

One of the items he spoke about was the Class 93 loco. It is basically the same body as the 68/88 class, with 25KV and a diesel engine which is boosted by a battery pack when starting off.

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...s-fuels-its-ambitions-with-tri-mode-class-93s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_93_(Stadler)

They are hopeful that these could be used on the new TPE trains, as 75% of the route is wired. They would also be suitable for freight use. Although only 10 are on order at the moment, they expect that there will be more made for the UK....

 

[USRailFan]

Wouldn't this be an obvious choice for Freightliner as a Class 86 replacement? Or is it still assumed that they'll "gobble up" the soon to be surplus Class 90s?

 

[mullac30]

They are hopeful that these could be used on the new TPE trains, as 75% of the route is wired. They would also be suitable for freight use. Although only 10 are on order at the moment, they expect that there will be more made for the UK....

If they are looking at adding the Class 93 to Mark 5s, they may as well rename the sets Intercity 250!

 

[Suraggu]

Wouldn't this be an obvious choice for Freightliner as a Class 86 replacement? Or is it still assumed that they'll "gobble up" the soon to be surplus Class 90s?

FL are not interested in purchasing brand new locomotives at present.

 

[USRailFan]

The 86s don't get newer by the year... Sooner or later they'll have to replace them somehow... Of course they might just end up running everything with diesels, but I dunno how well that would go down in todays climate-conscious society...

 

[Charlie Smythe]

I wonder if these Class 93's would be good for the GWR Night Slepper? They could be on diesel from Penance until it got onto OHLE sections where it would then switch over. Its a great idea unless they're not compatible with the coaches, then its not such as great idea.

 

[Spartacus]

I wonder if these Class 93's would be good for the GWR Night Slepper? They could be on diesel from Penance until it got onto OHLE sections where it would then switch over. Its a great idea unless they're not compatible with the coaches, then its not such as great idea.

I don't suppose there'll be preventing them from being made compatible, especially at this early stage. It does sound like something they'd be well suited to although they'd be down on power compared to a 57/6, which could potentially prove problematic even with the booster.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

I don't suppose there'll be preventing them from being made compatible, especially at this early stage. It does sound like something they'd be well suited to although they'd be down on power compared to a 57/6, which could potentially prove problematic even with the booster.

What is the hp of the diesel engine alone and what boost can the battery add? The engine can't be much more powerful than an 88 can it?

 

[GrimShady]

Any word on ETH index?

 

[Spartacus]

What is the hp of the diesel engine alone and what boost can the battery add? The engine can't be much more powerful than an 88 can it?

As they’re not built yet that’s a question only the designers can answer, but there’s been speculation it’ll be around the 1200hp mark, although if they use the C32 engine as has been speculated that can produce up to 1800hp, though loco engines are rarely as powerful as they could be rated for reasons of economy and reliability.

 

[GrimShady]

There's an article on the Railway Gazette regarding new Stadler Co-Co EuroDual locos.