The problem is that we don't know if it is or isn't safe, since vaping is such a recent development - there won't be any 20, 30, 40 year randomised studies yet.It's not safe for anyone involved
The problem is that we don't know if it is or isn't safe, since vaping is such a recent development - there won't be any 20, 30, 40 year randomised studies yet.It's not safe for anyone involved
The problem is that we don't know if it is or isn
't safe, since vaping is such a recent development - there won't be any 20, 30, 40 year randomised studies yet.
I agree, however it's a basic principle of a liberal democracy that things aren't banned unless they do provable harm to others (or incite others to do harm).It is however utterly antisocial, and it really shouldn't take a ban to make it clear...
I agree, however it's a basic principle of a liberal democracy that things aren't banned unless they do provable harm to others (or incite others to do harm).
Harm isn't only immediate or directly physical. We ban loud music at night because people have a right to uninterrupted rest. A DTL vaper could be said to be doing harm if they are puffing out large clouds of vapour which, for example, cause asthmatics breathing difficulty. But that wouldn't apply to a MTL vaper since there is very little (if any) in the way of clouds of vapour.Things get banned because they are unpleasant to others, not just because they cause physical harm.
It works for cigar shops and pipe shops as said before.
That is true, as well as vaping, I will admit myself and my wife do enjoy good cigars on occasion, we went to Newcastle last week and in one of the restaurants went upstairs to the open air smoking section and had a couple. There is a couple of cigar shops here and in Liverpool I know that there is a cigar bar that has been opened a year and is doing a pretty good trade, think you can smoke indoors in that one too.
It is advertised as a cigar bar, so I wouldn't imagine non-smokers would just waltz in there if they were concerned about their health.
The accuracy of your memory is confirmed by post #59 of this very thread!...but from memory half of all revenue at such stores has to come from loose tobacco or cigars and not standard cigarettes
There are a couple of tobacco shops like that which are legal on technical grounds because customers are "sampling" cigars/pipe tobacco but from memory half of all revenue at such stores has to come from loose tobacco or cigars and not standard cigarettes. It's also illegal to smoke standard cigarettes in such places so you couldn't turn up at one and light up a pack of Mayfair.
As you say though non-smokers are unlikely to go in there particularly if they are attached to tobacco shops.
There are a couple of tobacco shops like that which are legal on technical grounds because customers are "sampling" cigars/pipe tobacco but from memory half of all revenue at such stores has to come from loose tobacco or cigars and not standard cigarettes. It's also illegal to smoke standard cigarettes in such places so you couldn't turn up at one and light up a pack of Mayfair.
As you say though non-smokers are unlikely to go in there particularly if they are attached to tobacco shops.
Vaping stinks as much as smoking or going nuts with aftershave. It should be banned from enclosed public spaces.
Not suprised regarding Mayfair Cigarettes - cheap crap !! have you tasted them ?
Must be B&H Gold or a similar Premium Brand to match the ambience of such an establishment !!
That would open a very large loophole. I remember that, before the complete ban, pubs were given the opportunity to have a voluntary code of conduct where they had non smoking areas.I have no issue if for instance there was a rule to open a smoking pub, you know the dangers... it is a smoking pub, so there will be smoking and therefore more of a hazard to you.
That would open a very large loophole. I remember that, before the complete ban, pubs were given the opportunity to have a voluntary code of conduct where they had non smoking areas.
Every pub had a small sign in the window stating its smoking policy. I never saw one that said anything other than, "Smoking allowed throughout".
That would open a very large loophole. I remember that, before the complete ban, pubs were given the opportunity to have a voluntary code of conduct where they had non smoking areas.
Every pub had a small sign in the window stating its smoking policy. I never saw one that said anything other than, "Smoking allowed throughout".
'Spoons banned it before they were required to, but that could well have just been a bit of cheap publicity as they knew it was coming.
I have no issue if for instance there was a rule to open a smoking pub, you know the dangers... it is a smoking pub, so there will be smoking and therefore more of a hazard to you.
Quite , you already get enough arguments from people vaping when the prohibition is pointed out to them .For me, the most significant reason (among others) why I don't think that vaping should be permitted on public transport (ideally in law but certainly not under company policy) is because it could reduce the efficacy of the actual smoking ban.
For example, imagine you are the bus driver and a passenger comes over to complain that someone is smoking a tobacco on the bus. You lock up your cab, come to the back of the bus and can smell the smoke.
"Excuse me Sir, we do not allow smoking on this bus. Could you extinguish that please."
"I'm not smoking, I'm vaping. That's allowed isn't it?"
"It is, but I believe you are smoking. I can smell the smoke."
"Nope, it's definitely not smoke. I'm vaping."
"But it smells very strongly like real smoke to me. I will have to ask you to leave, Sir, if you refuse to stop."
"I'm not doing anything wrong. Your company policy clearly permits vaping on this bus. I won't leave."
What do you do? Call the police? Cancel the bus and inconvenience all of the other passengers? Or do nothing and continue, allowing the person smoking to flout the law and put the health of other passengers at risk, resulting in the inevitable complaints?
There's simple things, like reviewing this distance children are expected to walk to school (currently up to 3 miles for 8 year olds), thats been agreed need reviewing yet MP's haven't and it's taken them 9 years and counting.
As such I wouldn't hold it much hope for something which splits opinion.
I do however suspect that the tobacco company lobby is slightly more powerful than tired 8 year olds who have to walk 3 miles a day to school . And in our political system the more powerful a lobby , the bigger priority given to its concerns .
Wiltshire council originally wanted me and my two kids to walk on a major A road to take my children to school, this A road having grass verge for about half of the 2 mile distance and not many places to cross inbetween traffic travelling at 65 miles an hour, yes it works in some respects but not in all respects.If more kids *did* walk 3 miles to school they would be a lot fitter and the obesity problem would be reduced. Though I could see sense in reducing it to 2 to avoid excessively early starts.
If more kids *did* walk 3 miles to school they would be a lot fitter and the obesity problem would be reduced. Though I could see sense in reducing it to 2 to avoid excessively early starts.
Ha ha. No mate, I still smoke. Just don't like people smoking where they shouldn't as it gives us a bad name, plus I'm not actually a fan of the smell unless I am having a beer and a cig. The smell of vaping however turns my stomach. Loads of sickly sweet vapour, almost knocks me as sick as the smell of weed.Have you turned to the dark side and given up ? - though you liked the odd tab.
There isn't 'a smell' of vaping - there are a multitude of different scented vaping fluids (not all 'sickly sweet') and some which have no added scent at all.The smell of vaping however turns my stomach.
There isn't 'a smell' of vaping - there are a multitude of different scented vaping fluids (not all 'sickly sweet') and some which have no added scent at all.
Fixed that for you.The vast majority of vapers who catch my attention seem to use the type that smell and taste like someone has set a bag of sweetened popcorn on fire, and it is utterly, utterly vile.
Fixed that for you.