Unless resolved more dates will be added,Wimbledon starts 27 June.the strikes don’t cover the period of Wimbledon.
Unless resolved more dates will be added,Wimbledon starts 27 June.the strikes don’t cover the period of Wimbledon.
Even this magnitude of strike action on the rails never happened under Mrs Thatcher IIRC, despite her unpopularity.
A significant number of Glastonbury attendees arrive on the Wednesday (the first musical acts on the smaller stages are from Thursday lunchtime). I expect that even more will now if they are considering travelling by train.
As it stands right now nothing beyond 25th June has been announced, but I imagine Smidster may feel the same way as I do, that this could potentially be industrial action that goes on every week following this first set of strikes until one side or the other eventually caves in (which would probably takes months before one side does). For me this fear comes from looking at past industrial action such as the Southern DOO dispute, where there was pretty much some form of action happening every week for the best part of a year.
The unions at that time were flexing their muscles to see whether Mrs Thatcher would cave in just like previous governments had done.
Mrs Thatcher didn't cave in, of course, and this is what led to the 1984/1985 miners strike.
Coming back to today, I think the RMT are trying to see whether the rail industry employers and the government are going to cave in, or whether the government is prepared to tough it out over the next few months in order to permanently weaken the rail unions.
Surely it is best to wait for actual definitive information before getting so angry and worked up? There was a lot of anger and hostility in Smidster's post for something that may not even happen.
Thank you.A walkout by signallers will affect trains in Scotland.https://www.theguardian.com/busines...e-day-strike-in-june-over-possible-job-losses Whilst some hopes of settlement in Scotrail dispute could still be strike ballot there if talks break down. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61698822
If a beleaguered Government was looking for something which all Tory MPs could back....Will this make the Tories bring in legislation to deem ALL railway workers essential workers and remove the right to strike ? (such as for Police/Prison Officers)
I'm due to travel on Eurostar to Paris on 21st. I presume that the strike will mean cancellations?
The strike timetables are pretty much finalised mostly. So definitely wont be released one day before.
One thing that is overlooked, certainly by media / general masses is the reduction.of maintenance staff at Network Rail. Less staff to safely maintain the track and signalling; therefore increasing the risk to the travelling public.
But surely they would still be required to be manned by someone in instances such as urgent calls on the GSMR or the use of a SPT, no?
Are Scotrail services affected on the strike days please can somebody advise?
As it stands right now nothing beyond 25th June has been announced, but I imagine Smidster may feel the same way as I do, that this could potentially be industrial action that goes on every week following this first set of strikes until one side or the other eventually caves in (which would probably takes months before one side does). For me this fear comes from looking at past industrial action such as the Southern DOO dispute, where there was pretty much some form of action happening every week for the best part of a year.
Yep. If anyone disagreed with Thatcher she would tell them why they were wrong and then stick to that. She even stuck to that when her poll tax resulted in rioting, she chose to resign rather than revise her policy.
Boris may be more likely to back down but he does have one of Thatcher's qualities in that he'll back something even if most people disagree with it.
I suspect that it isn't only RMT that have been waiting....I think you're spot on. The RMT have been waiting a long time to get a national strike and now they have the opportunity. The question is how the public react - if they just shrug their shoulders and go "meh!", then the RMT can keep trying strike action and the only damage they will be doing is to themselves.
The Covid pandemic has had the huge benefit that many people are now capable of and set up to work from home. Whereas 20 years ago such action would have caused chaos with everybody piling onto the roads / buses / coaches, that won't be the case now.
I was an I remember them well. 2 weeks all out strike…….in July with an NUR one in the June as well.I wasn’t even born then lol.
I can even remember the names of the union leaders at the time.
Sid Weighell of the (then) N.U.R. (National Union of Railwaymen) and Ray Buckton of ASLEF.
Johnson is weaker than Mrs Thatcher was…. If he survives until the strikes have started.Yep. If anyone disagreed with Thatcher she would tell them why they were wrong and then stick to that. She even stuck to that when her poll tax resulted in rioting, she chose to resign rather than revise her policy.
Boris may be more likely to back down but he does have one of Thatcher's qualities in that he'll back something even if most people disagree with it.
Well if that is their plan it seems reasonable for HMG to seek to break them in response.Disrupting events is the point.
They are hoping to force the government into capitulation.
I think its a terrible plan but that appears to be the plan
I commute to work, can't WFH*, can't drive that far, a taxi would cost hundreds and coaches make me extremely travel sick.
Although I could swap around my working days, it looks like those in between the strike days will also be affected.
I work in healthcare, so if I don't go to work there are consequences for others as well as me. There is not somewhere local that I can work.
So alternatives are:
1. pay for a hotel and stay on location for several days - not great and doesn't help if the strikes are ongoing because I can't afford to do that more than once
2. take unpaid leave and see if a local colleague can cover - see above
3. make up the days at some other point (but see above re the work needing to be done)
4. take annual leave - see 1 and 2
*really really can't - it is not permitted due to confidentiality
As a member of a union, I understand that RMT members have the right to strike. As someone who is facing hours of delays, significant additional costs (whether loss of earnings or paying for hotels), and knock on effects to the service I'm trying to provide, sorry this member of the public is pretty cheesed off right now.
Wrong wording on my point, should have said validated of which they mostly are, at least on Southern they are.they are absolutely not finalised!
True enough... Look at any likely successors though, on this issue they will be no different.Johnson is weaker than Mrs Thatcher was…. If he survives until the strikes have started.
True enough... Look at any likely successors though, on this issue they will be no different.
It's certainly getting very close. Either that or fully nationalise the whole railway system.Will this make the Tories bring in legislation to deem ALL railway workers essential workers and remove the right to strike ? (such as for Police/Prison Officers)
I never suggested they'd be running a full service though. Only that they would run some services when and where they have a route.There will be a few more trains running than you are suggesting. Still not many though.
And tiocs like London Overground certainly aren't running a full service or anything near a full service.
Realised after i sent the message I misread your post, so sorry about that.I never suggested they'd be running a full service though. Only that they would run some services when and where they have a route.
They did. Then the Government legislated and used the Courts...Prison officers can, and have gone on strike.
Governor grades worked, cons under lock up as staffing dropped below minimum as you’d expect.
Elsewhere some TOCs are going ballistic at what is being suggested for them, still a few hurdles yet.Wrong wording on my point, should have said validated of which they mostly are, at least on Southern they are.
I know, big issue with the services in the cut off period amongst other things.Elsewhere some TOCs are going ballistic at what is being suggested for them, still a few hurdles yet.
That's understandable. I've already committed to a contingency for my main trip in August to the Norfolk/Suffolk coast of using National Express between Cambridge and Norwich instead of my normal choice of the GA Stansted-Norwich services. It may be jumping the gun a bit, but I'd rather secure the contingency for the low price it is now than find a strike does happen over that period and tickets for National Express have sky-rocketed in price in the mean time (the good thing is that the NX service only takes 15 minutes longer than the GA service, pending traffic conditions).Personally I won't be booking any trips for the summer months which don't use accommodation with free cancellation [or free change of dates]. That way if any more dates are announced on a weekend I've got a hotel booked somewhere I won't loss out on any money. Either booking flexible tickets for the trains or advance tickets making use of the "book with confidence" scheme
And with a majority of 80 it should be very easy to do so. I don't think many of the public will be that sad about it.Well if that is their plan it seems reasonable for HMG to seek to break them in response.
Not if HMT blocks overtime they won't!Staff will just work more overtime to make it back.
they don't live that close either - I commute into London so we're all going to have a problem. I just happen to commute the furthest.Have you tried asking your colleagues at work, some of whom may live close to your place of work, whether they can put you up on the affected dates?
Then passengers will support fire and hire..They have passengers over a barrel. People need to use the trains to get to work/holidays. Just like planes. If they mess you about you cant boycott them, you still pay to use the service as thats the only way to travel