fairliered
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Does anyone know whether the through Ayr to Edinburgh services will be 380s, 385s or will no longer run through.
Five services from Ayr still run through to Edinburgh. One even goes to North Berwick.Does anyone know whether the through Ayr to Edinburgh services will be 380s, 385s or will no longer run through.
Five services from Ayr still run through to Edinburgh. One even goes to North Berwick.
Surely it's movements outbound from Edinburgh which are going to run into conflicts at Haymarket and Newbridge?
1. This is not actually a given 2. I am sure today was not "perfect" - as many have been eager to point out.Of course the plan works if everything is perfect
Think you're missing the point Chris. Of course the plan works if everything is perfect but its the chain reaction if one train is even a couple of minutes late that was the concern. We'll see what happens when it happens.
The point was never made that Newbridge Junction would struggle in normal timetable. The point was that it struggles with 10-11tph when one thing goes wrong which results in a chain reaction. Using one day of nothing going wrong to prove that Newbridge can cope is bizarre. The first time there is disruption I still worry about Newbridge.
is it displayed at stations as a through service to East Kilbride? Because it clearly states that it joins with another train to depart to EKL from CentralI saw this and similar ones on RTT
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G80046/2018/12/10/advanced
Anyone know why it’s saying Kilmarnock to East Kilbride when it’s clearly a Kilmarnock to Central service?
This could be said of pretty much the majority of the mainline railway though, to some degree or another. It's true at Portobello Jn, Haymarket East Jn, Bridge Street Jn and at Marshgate Jn, Slade Lane Jn, it is definitely true at Castlefield Jn and Ordsall Lane Jn, and it's a serious problem at Windmill Bridge and Gloucester Road Jns, and at Woking Jn. It is a problem at Herne Hill Jns, at Proof House Jn, and at Woolmer Green Jn. Many of these problems are rather worse and cater to more movements than Newbridge Jn does. Is that a reason not to run trains?The point was that it struggles with 10-11tph when one thing goes wrong which results in a chain reaction.
I saw this and similar ones on RTT
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G80046/2018/12/10/advanced
Anyone know why it’s saying Kilmarnock to East Kilbride when it’s clearly a Kilmarnock to Central service?
You can say that the Dunblane peak (7-8am) service being “thirded” is dramatic, but it’s true. One service has been moved to an earlier, less convenient time, and another has disappeared.
The reason that there is possibly going to be a Edinburgh-Dunblane/Alloa split on that service (which I believe isn’t the only one) is because there are no extra paths to run the usual Alloa service because they have been replaced with ultra-pointless Cumbernauld services!
Newbride Junction is going to be mayhem come December.
Airdrie did not have another, better station serving it towards Edinburgh already, as Cumbernauld does. The Glasgow flows from Cumbernauld are not even that big as it is. The main problem (which is being ignored by most) is the extra 2tph through Newbridge Junction. That’s 12tph (possibly more) at peak times. I know electrics will help the situation, but it heavily struggles with 10tph as it is.
Linlithgow losing Stirling links & only remaining 4tph to Edinburgh is the biggest disappointment to passengers, from what I’ve been hearing at the station.
I think the main gripes are that Linlithgow & Polmont are getting minimal benefit (with some reduction) whilst stations like Camelon & Larbert are getting huge increases.
Also adding that there will be another 2tph through Newbridge Junction, which struggles heavily with 10tph as it is.
Currently there are several units held every morning at Newbridge Junction. I have no reason to believe it will be absolutely fine after adding another 2tph. To suggest that I don’t have a clue for implying that the ‘lowest priority’ services of 12tph will be held at a nightmare of a junction quite frankly says it all about your argument IMO.
Seems you can’t complain on here without being aggressively shut down with no valid reason. I am not the only one that is opposed to this timetable change. I want the best timetable possible and we aren’t being given that, but unfortunately we’ll just have to live with it as I have said before. The car is becoming a much more attractive option.
Until the Almond chord is built (which I fully support), was there any need to add an extra 2tph through Newbridge knowing the problems it may (almost certainly will) cause?
is it displayed at stations as a through service to East Kilbride? Because it clearly states that it joins with another train to depart to EKL from Central
Edit: I looked at National Rail station departures- the services are indeed advertised as through services to East Kilbride
Funnily you forgot to say it was only “during disruption” that Newbridge Junction wouldn’t cope in each of these posts...
Strange to advertise that as through service . Arent some EK services linked with via Shotts 156s too >Even though it's just that the service goes on to form an EK service after arriving at Glasgow Central? Seems a bit strange.
Mind you I suppose the Edinburgh-Ayr services are in a similar vein.
Strange to advertise that as through service . Arent some EK services linked with via Shotts 156s too >
That's exactly what it is.Probably an issue with the Real Time Trains website
Possibly, not really sure. From what I remember am incoming EK forms an outgoing Kilmarnock and vice-versa. For the Shotts line an incoming semi-fast forms an outgoing stopper.
I has thought that was always the case apart from peak-time perhaps, but I could very easily be wrong and certain Shotts line services swap units with the EK services.
The incoming Barrheads I believe generally go on to form outgoing Barrheads if I remember rightly.
Might of changed , remember coming off a Shotts 156 and back on it for EK service . Now there would be a risk of 158 going onto a EK service though this was only a few years i recall .