ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[Highlandspring]

Not sure what the proposals for line speed increases are, but this is definetly needed - the majority of the line East of the River Spey is 60/70mph, which isn't 'InterCity' standard - hopefully with all the track renewal that's gone on & still to be done, this will be addressed. Also, West of the River Spey, it's mainly 75mph, which may have the possibility of being increased in places. Who knows!

Signal sighting for Forres and Elgin was done on the basis of 100mph where possible.

 

[chuff chuff]

Here's hoping it does - must go and have a look when it makes it North..

Hope after all the waiting it's no a disappointment.

 

[jingsmonty]

Signal sighting for Forres and Elgin was done on the basis of 100mph where possible.

Yeah, I heard something like that too

 

[ScotrailINV]

Travelling from Inverness to Galashiels today and decided to take 1B31, the 12:55 Inverness to Edinburgh service, which was a Classic set as booked.

Train cancelled at Dalgety Bay at 16:40, approx. 40 mins late due to speedo issues. Conductor stated the speedo had given up the ghost as we crawled into Dalgety Bay where we were detrained.

That's all three HST services I have used on the Highland Mainline since introduction cancelled through the journey due to speedo issues!

 

[chuff chuff]

Travelling from Inverness to Galashiels today and decided to take 1B31, the 12:55 Inverness to Edinburgh service, which was a Classic set as booked.

Train cancelled at Dalgety Bay at 16:40, approx. 40 mins late due to speedo issues. Conductor stated the speedo had given up the ghost as we crawled into Dalgety Bay where we were detrained.

That's all three HST services I have used on the Highland Mainline since introduction cancelled through the journey due to speedo issues!

You'd have thought they could have detained at Inverkeithing .

 

[Goldromans]

Still no sign of any path out of wabtec today or tomorrow. Surely something must be planned for tomorrow (if the plan is still via Dundee) if Inverness are expecting the set by Wednesday?

 

[ScotrailINV]

You'd have thought they could have detained at Inverkeithing .

The guard mentioned over the PA about having no option but to detrain at Dalgety due to the issue. Worked out well for a handful of us as the next Edinburgh boung train from Dalgety was the Tweedbank service we were planning to catch from Edinburgh.

The ECS movement from Waverley to Haymarket Depot, 5B31, that would have been my train 1B31, appears to have arrived at Haymarket Depot at 19:23, 149L. Does anyone know if it made it there under its own power or was dragged?

 

[Highlandspring]

The ECS movement from Waverley to Haymarket Depot, 5B31, that would have been my train 1B31, appears to have arrived at Haymarket Depot at 19:23, 149L. Does anyone know if it made it there under its own power or was dragged?

Under its own power.

 

[InvHst]

Travelling from Inverness to Galashiels today and decided to take 1B31, the 12:55 Inverness to Edinburgh service, which was a Classic set as booked.

Train cancelled at Dalgety Bay at 16:40, approx. 40 mins late due to speedo issues. Conductor stated the speedo had given up the ghost as we crawled into Dalgety Bay where we were detrained.

That's all three HST services I have used on the Highland Mainline since introduction cancelled through the journey due to speedo issues!

Shouldn't have even had a HST on that today only ran as one since the 944 didn't run this morning due to the earlier disruption and the 1159 arrival from Edinburgh should have been a 170 but was cancelled at Perth

 

[alangla]

Spotted elsewhere, apparently 2N48 ran as an HST today. Only 20 mins lost due to excessive dwells http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G88851/2019/03/11/advanced

Why does an all stops service get sent out like this when it’s bound to cause chaos?

 

[Highlandspring]

N48 is very heavily loaded from Stirling, it’s far better to run (late) as an HST than be caped.

 

[alangla]

N48 is very heavily loaded from Stirling, it’s far better to run (late) as an HST than be caped.

True, but apparently the ECS it should have worked was operated by a 170! Unless the 170 had a coach locked out or something I guess.

 

[Journeyman]

08.38 Queen Street to Aberdeen cancelled this morning due to train fault. It's meant to be an HST, but rarely is. Anyone know what failed?

 

[Highlandspring]

2N48 0702 Perth - Queen Street failed at Dunblane with loss of air on 158726. The driver for 1A53 0838 Queen Street - Aberdeen travels as a passenger to Glasgow on that service, so was out of place and there wasn’t another driver available to cover it.

 

[Journeyman]

2N48 0702 Perth - Queen Street failed at Dunblane with loss of air on 158726. The driver for 1A53 0838 Queen Street - Aberdeen travels as a passenger to Glasgow on that service, so was out of place and there wasn’t another driver available to cover it.

Ah, fair enough - an indirect knock-on effect, then.

 

[jingsmonty]

Travelling from Inverness to Galashiels today and decided to take 1B31, the 12:55 Inverness to Edinburgh service, which was a Classic set as booked.

Train cancelled at Dalgety Bay at 16:40, approx. 40 mins late due to speedo issues. Conductor stated the speedo had given up the ghost as we crawled into Dalgety Bay where we were detrained.

That's all three HST services I have used on the Highland Mainline since introduction cancelled through the journey due to speedo issues!

There's supposed to be a programme on the go to replace the ATP speedos that have caused all the issues, with speedos that work off an axle probe (as most other trains). Not sure how far on this is - I do know that it's quite an involved job to do.

 

[Journeyman]

There's supposed to be a programme on the go to replace the ATP speedos that have caused all the issues, with speedos that work off an axle probe (as most other trains). Not sure how far on this is - I do know that it's quite an involved job to do.

Why the hell was it not done during the hugely lengthy delays this project has already faced?

 

[Wst71Pa2]

Add life expired air system to the Speedo issues

 

[Goldromans]

There still doesn’t seem to be a path out of Wabtec for the new set. I know these can be created very quickly, but every other path for the refurbs have appeared by the evening before. Are they still running into issues?

 

[jingsmonty]

Why the hell was it not done during the hugely lengthy delays this project has already faced?

Because it was probably not seen as necessary. Anyway, the delays have been in relation to the coach refurbishments, not tbe power cars.

In hindsight, it probably should have been done. I also think the electronics upgrade should have been fitted as well, but that's an old argument

 

[jingsmonty]

Add life expired air system to the Speedo issues

I've personally never had any problems with the air system - I made it back with tbe training train one day when only running on 1 compressor! There have been some issues with the air system, in fairness.

It's been said that HSTs are more reliable when they are used regularly - here's hoping

 

[Carntyne]

There still doesn’t seem to be a path out of Wabtec for the new set. I know these can be created very quickly, but every other path for the refurbs have appeared by the evening before. Are they still running into issues?

It will likely be added to the system when it is ready to go. It is not done to provide advance information to enthusiasts!

 

[route101]

To be honest, I was at first thinking of a day trip to Dundee by HST whilst on holiday in Edinburgh and Aberdeen whilst in Dundee.

However, I'll instead do Aberdeen whilst in Edinburgh and Inverness whilst in Aberdeen say 2021. That way, I get to make history by arriving into the most northerly city on an HST hopefully !

2021 thats forward planning eh

 

[route101]

How many HSTs services are on the A to I line

 

[Highland37]

Zero I think.

 

[GusB]

How many HSTs services are on the A to I line

There are a couple of HST trips. I'm not up early enough to see it, but I think the first train from Inverness to Aberdeen is supposed to be. I've seen HSTs on the last train for Inverness, but often it'll be a 170. 158s do the rest with an occasional 158/170 combo.

I noticed on Sunday that there were a few HSTs during the day too.

 

[InvHst]

How many HSTs services are on the A to I line

Zero I think.

Monday to Saturday has 4 services in total which are Scheduled 0453 and 0554 departures from Inverness to aberdeen

And 0614 and 2156 from Aberdeen to Inverness are hst operated but obviously crew and unit availability.
Sunday has a few as well but which ones I'm not 100% sure

 

[jingsmonty]

To be honest, I was at first thinking of a day trip to Dundee by HST whilst on holiday in Edinburgh and Aberdeen whilst in Dundee.

However, I'll instead do Aberdeen whilst in Edinburgh and Inverness whilst in Aberdeen say 2021. That way, I get to make history by arriving into the most northerly city on an HST hopefully !

To be honest, if it's not specifically a Scotrail HST you're after, you could visit the most northerly city by HST right now, by catching the Highland Chieftain (12.00 London KX to Inverness)...it's been running since 1984.

 

[jingsmonty]

There are a couple of HST trips. I'm not up early enough to see it, but I think the first train from Inverness to Aberdeen is supposed to be. I've seen HSTs on the last train for Inverness, but often it'll be a 170. 158s do the rest with an occasional 158/170 combo.

I noticed on Sunday that there were a few HSTs during the day too.

Not sure about the morning departures West (I know the train that arrives into Inverness from Aberdeen is the HST set that is booked to form the 09.44 Inverness to Edinburgh). There are 2 towards Aberdeen (04.53 Inverness to Aberdeen, which continues onto Edinburgh & the 0554). I've been on 1H43 a few times lately (2156 Aberdeen to Inverness), which is booked an HST. Out of 4 trips, 2 have been HST & 2 have been 170.

 

[nat67]

Has the 1934 1A88 Edinburgh-Aberdeen been a HST recently.

Cheers Nat.