ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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  1. JohnR

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    Every day this week, the 1530 Edinburgh - Aberdeen has been the refurbished HST. Although yesterday it had to start at Haymarket.

    Things starting to settle down?
     
  2. Wst71Pa2

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    Press a button one side, doors open other.. maybe/possibly/couldn't say..
     
  3. nat67

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    Your not far of there Chief ;). Give it 12 months and we might see 2/3 of the refurb sets complete.
    When is it till the next franchise anyway?
     
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    But it doesn't make sense (not trying to go of topic TOC here) but GWR have already had 3 sets delivered with another imminent this week. XC are as slow but there is twice the stock for each there. It is that there are different teams for each TOC's MK3's?
     
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    They have done work on refurbishing Mk3's but only FGW ones and that was back in 2014.
     
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    I would say they are keeping that set on that diagram so if it goes wrong they can do something with it at Haymarket (if they can).
     
  7. Highland37

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    Not even close as far as I can see.

    I just passed Haymarket depot where there are at least three sets including one of the refurbished one I think. Of the ten classic sets, at least 20% of them are at the depot right now, one of the refurbished sets is there from what I could see, the 2nd set hasn't even carried a passenger yet (as far as I know) and the third set is sitting at Doncaster unable to depart for unknown faults.

    So no, not even close.

    Very unlikely I would say. 12 months would mean delivering 17 sets which leaves sets 3-15 in 12 months meaning 1.25 sets per month. Wabtec are speeding along at 1 set in 2.5 months currently.

    I have wondered about that also.
     
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    Poor, very poor. Hornby have done more in this time with there ScotRail sliding door Mk3's.
     
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    I believe it can be terminated in 2022 but the decision has to be made by 2020.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29531099
     
  10. Highland37

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    I was hoping to get an HST north of Perth but it's a 170 which at least keeps to time usually. One HST in 2.5 months is my tally so far weekly travel to Glasgow and Edinburgh from Inverness.
     
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    I believe Kilmarnock have already got some sort of experience with corroded body shells as they have recently refurbished the Northern Class 155s, which were built in 1987 by that great bastion of the automotive industry British Leyland.
     
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    Hope so!
     
  13. Journeyman

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    I've long maintained that the train that shows up is significantly better than the one that doesn't.
     
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    Me too. However that doesn't deal with the issue.

    The 170 I got was late as a "classic" set heading south was delayed into Dunkeld. The 170 I was on had no power sockets working at my table so my laptop ran out of battery at a time I am trying to write a report. The 158 to Perth didn't have any sockets.

    The classic sets are only here because Wabtec have failed to deliver. They are causing delays due to the longer dwell times which means people are delayed. The entire thing is a farce and I can only presume that Abellio are so inept or the contract is so much in favour of Wabtec that nothing can be done about it.
     
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    Only a suggestion - Since it looks like the Classic sets will be around for another year or more - Would ScotRail put another member of staff to travel on the Classic sets to assist with closing the doors in order to reduce the dwell times?

    Somehow I think I'm more likely to see a squadron of pigs flying past <D
     
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    Or just make sure there is member of station staff ready for the dispatch. I know that can't be covered at all stations on the Highland main line such as Carrbridge (?). Or make sure the guard gets his/her but into gear and stop faffing around.
     
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    Can confirm right now if a manned station has that member of staff free to dispatch the train they have to dispatch it. My dad raised this question shortly after they came in
     
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    Is the contract for the refurb is between the owner of the equipment, Angel Trains, and not Abellio?
     
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    Only if trained in despatch,don't blame the guards for taking their time no point making an arse of it for a bit of time.
     
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    A well scripted vision of what is to come, sadly. I suspect Abellio couldn't' care less now, they'll just be trying to minimise their losses until they can run away.
     
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    Isn't that the basic failing of most franchises? (Unless they are so fortunate that DfT or NR have dropped such a b*ll*ck that the franchise just keeps banking the cheques year after year.) (VTWC are the first that come to mind here, of course.)
     
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    I suppose overall, yes, but - keeping on thread - the point about the SR HSTs is that the project has been so dreadfully poorly thought through and managed on all fronts that we are at the stage now that, I fear, the "hotchpotch" described by @47271 looks most likely for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Absolutely right, whoever this other member of staff is they need to be dispatch trained. No point saving time at the expense of safety!
     
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    Managed to catch one in the wild this evening! 1725 Inverness to Glasgow Queen Street

     
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    To be fair, the HST as a whole isn't that rare - the refurbished, non-slam-door version is though...
     
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    I need to travel south from Inverness tomorrow... Question for me now is, get the 0755 chieftain for secure HST haulage or gamble on the 0944 and a couple extra hours of sleep?
     
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    It's not that rare I know. But this is the first time I've managed to see one actually running in service on the HML.
     
  28. Highland37

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    I got that train yesterday. It was a 170.
     
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    A fine sight, thanks for posting. Even with all other things considered, as an HST enthusiast it warms the heart a just little that some of them will see out their days running in the beauty of the HML. A fitting retirement.
     
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    Personally, I think that's a great idea. We've had a lot of trainee conductors who have been route learning & assisting with shutting doors at stations (without, obviously, doing the dispatch side of things). It noticeably speeds things up.

    Think you're 100% spot on with the likelihood of this actually happening though.....
     

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