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Signal sighting on the various A2I resignalling/doubling schemes has made passive provision for 100mph linespeeds where possible.
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hexagon789
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The latest issue of Rail Today UK has a listing of ScotRail HST diagrams, no idea if they can be relied on though.
It does say there will be 18 unrefurbished sets, with plans for 11 in service by August.
From the 19th August according to the article, there look to be substantially more HSTs on the HML.
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That is good news indeed!
But will it happen.
hexagon789
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Looks to be 14 departures out of Inverness on the HML from 19th August and 15 arrivals.
hexagon789
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Assuming they have 4 refurbs and 11 Classics, yes. Otherwise - no I'd guess at least not fully.
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They may have the sets - as it seems they do now - but will the sets be mechanically ready - and will they have enough staff trained and ready to run them? Those last two questions seem to have been the biggest issue according to this forum.
hexagon789
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Well that's what it boils down to, it does say planned and thought it was interesting to see what is at least proposed but I think we are all used to taking it as a case of wait and see what happens.
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Doesn't one of the 15 arrivals head south via Aberdeen at 4:50 in the morning or something crazy like that? And that's why there are only 14 departures southbound on the HML?
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Wow is it really getting so bad that there will now be 18 "classic" sets? That they are going to such lengths says a lot about Scotrail's confidence in Wabtec.
I had thought 10 refurbished sets delivered by the end of the year but given the slowing down of an already very late and slow process, I predict 8-9.
Still haven’t been on an HST in 4 (5?) return journeys from Glasgow to Aberdeen in 2019. The last 3 times my booked seat has clearly been an HST seating allocation (seat numbers don’t exceed 8 in first class on a 170) and this morning’s 0839 GLQ - ABD is decidedly small for an HST 
Will see what tomorrow’s return journey brings. I acknowledge that it may just be bad luck on my part as forum experience tends to suggest HSTs are now running when intended, but there are clearly still quite a few substitutions with 170s stepping in.
Will see what tomorrow’s return journey brings. I acknowledge that it may just be bad luck on my part as forum experience tends to suggest HSTs are now running when intended, but there are clearly still quite a few substitutions with 170s stepping in.
hexagon789
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Potentially, it just says there could be.
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My understanding is that the situation is still very fluid and although there are diagrams that would ideally be an HST there are either not enough serviceable sets or Crews to guarantee them on every diagram. Hence ScotRail have been announcing on their Twitter feed which diagrams are refurbished sets on a daily basis and sometimes they have announced diagrams that are classic sets. Real-time trains will indicate the diagrams that could be an HST where the timing load indicated is a diesel locomotive hauling 300 tons. But that is not a guarantee that the service will be HST formed.
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Aberdeen to Inverurie after doubling is 75mph max - other parts of the route North of Inverurie could go faster (Line Speed Studies have been looked - but nothing implemented)
hexagon789
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If you like I can put up the full thing, but as others say - it's still fairly Fluid.
If you wouldn't mind would at least give an idea what's due to be
save me from looking up the Sectional Appendix- is that an increase over what the single track was?
hexagon789
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Taken from Today's Railways UK Issue 211 - July 2019:
Monday-Friday
HA901
1A41 05.30 EDB-ABD 08.14
1B18 09.04 ABD-EDB 11.37
1A75 12.30 EDB-ABD 14.50
1B40 16.02 ABD-EDB 18.33
1A88 19.34 EDB-ABD 21.53 Stables AC
HA902
1B07 05.49 ABD-EDB 08.24
1A55 09.28 EDB-ABD 11.51
1B32 13.12 ABD-EDB 15.33
1A79 16.28 EDB-ABD 19.05
1B51 20.10 ADB-EDB 22.47 Stables HA
HA903
1A47 05.53 GLQ-ABD 08.37
1T14 09.42 ABD-GLQ 12.18
1A63 12.39 GLQ-ABD 15.14
1T38 16.30 ABD-GLQ 19.10
1A81 19.38 GLQ-ABD 22.20 Stables AC
HA904 (FX)
1T10 07.35 ABD-GLQ 10.10
1A59 10.40 GLQ-ABD 13.11
1T26 13.48 ABD-GLQ 16.18
1A77 16.42 GLQ-ABD 19.27
1T48 19.43 ABD-GLQ 22.21 Stables ED
HA941 (from 19th August)
1H23 06.13 ABD-INV 08.36
1B52 09.44 INV-EDB 13.20
1H13 13.33 EDB-INV 16.55
1T62 17.27 INV-GLQ 20.45 Stables PTH
HA942 (from 19th August)
1A45 07.29 EDB-ABD 09.56
1B24 11.02 ABD-EDB 13.28
1A78 15.28 EDB-ABD 17.54
1T44 18.38 ABD-GLQ 21.15
1A95 21.40 GLQ-ABD 00.30 Stables AC
HA943 (from 19th August)
1A44 06.00 INV-ABD 08.08
1T12 08.49 ABD-GLQ 11.17
1A61 11.39 GLQ-ABD 14.10
1T32 14.42 ABD-GLQ 17.17
1A83 17.40 GLQ-ABD 20.26
1B42 21.07 ABD-EDB 23.29 Stables HA
HA944
1T98 08.45 INV-GLQ 12.07
1H15 15.08 GLQ-INV 18.26
1B44 18.54 INV-EDB 22.23 Stables EDB
HA945
1A53 08.39 GLQ-ABD 11.21
1T22 12.47 ABD-GLQ 15.18
1A73 15.39 GLQ-ABD 18.17
1B47 19.16 ABD-EDB 21.35 Stables HA
HA946 (from 19th August)
1H07 08.34 EDB-INV 12.01
1B31 12.48 INV-EDB 16.34
1H17 17.42 EDB-INV 21.01 Stables INV
HA947 (from 19th May to 18th August)
2A11 06.13 ADB-DYC 06.21
2A12 06.50 DYC-ABD 06.59
1B14 07.07 ADB-EDB 09.31
1A71 11.32 EDB-ABD 13.52
1T34 15.38 ABD-GLQ 18.23
1A87 18.40 GLQ-ABD 21.20 Stables AC
HA947 (from 19th August)
1B14 04.53 INV-EDB 09.31
1A71 11.32 EDB-ABD 13.52
1T34 15.38 ABD-GLQ 18.23
1A87 18.40 GLQ-INV 00.08 Stables IS
HA949
1T08 06.38 ABD-GLQ 09.11
1A57 09.40 GLQ-ABD 12.34
1B35 13.57 ABD-EDB 16.31
1A81 17.36 EDB-ABD 20.05
1T54 20.44 ADB-GLQ 23.21 Stables ED
HA951
1A51 07.41 GLQ-ABD 10.15
1T18 10.46 ADB-GLQ 13.18
1A67 13.39 GLQ-ABD 16.22
1T40 17.39 ABD-GLQ 20.26
1A91 20.40 GLQ-ABD 23.21 Stables AC
HA952
1T06 05.39 ABD-GLQ 08.30
1H51 12.08 GLQ-INV 15.22
1B54 15.54 INV-EDB 19.34
1H19 19.41 EDB-INV 23.21 Stables IS
HA953 (from 19th May-14th June)
1H05 07.07 GLQ-INV 10.29
1A50 11.02 INV-INR 12.47
1H33 13.59 INR-INV 16.01
1A58 17.13 INV-INR 19.17
1H41 20.35 INR-INV 22.29 Stables IS
HA953 (from 15th June to 18th August)
1H05 07.07 GLQ-INV 10.29
1A50 11.02 INV-HNT 12.16
1H31 11.51 HNT-INV 14.08
1A56 15.27 INV-HNT 16.49
1H37 18.20 HNT-INV 19.38
1H68 20.32 INV-ELG 21.14 Stables IS
HA953 (from 19th August to 14th December)
1H05 07.07 GLQ-INV 10.29
1A50 11.02 INV-ABD 13.10
1H33 13.38 ABD-INV 16.01
1A58 17.13 INV-ABD 19.40 Stables AC
HA971 (until 18th August)
1A45 07.29 EDB-ABD 09.56
1B24 11.02 ABD-EDB 13.28
1A78 15.28 EDB-ABD 17.54
1T44 18.38 ABD-GLQ 21.15
1A95 21.40 GLQ-ABD 00.30 Stables AC
HA972 (from 19th May until 18th August)
1T12 08.49 ABD-GLQ 11.17
1A61 11.39 GLQ-ABD 14.10
1T32 14.42 ABD-GLQ 17.17
1A83 17.40 GLQ-ABD 20.26
1B42 21.07 ABD-EDB 23.29 Stables HA
hexagon789
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Used to be 70mph max Aberdeen-Elgin and 75 Elgin-Inverness.
The single track was 40 Aberdeen-Kittybrewster; then up to 55, then 65 into Dyce, with 40 on the loop.
Back up to 65 to Pitnedden, then to 70 Inverurie with a few 60 PSRs and a 60 coming into Inverurie iirc and 40 on its loop.
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Sorry if this has been posted already, but I picked up a thread on the scot-rail.co.uk forum that indicates the following around the ScotRail HSTs:
1. Wabtec have committed to deliver 1 rake per month for the next 21 months.
2. ScotRail is in discussions with Angel Trains to procure and convert more Mk3 TSOs to strengthen all rakes to 5 coaches.
The delivery timeline probably isn't much of a surprise given that retention tanks are being fitted to the classic sets, but given the conversations I have seen on this thread around the platform lengths at Inverness will it be doable to have all incoming and outgoing services from Inverness as 5-car without lengthening a couple of the platforms?
1. Wabtec have committed to deliver 1 rake per month for the next 21 months.
2. ScotRail is in discussions with Angel Trains to procure and convert more Mk3 TSOs to strengthen all rakes to 5 coaches.
The delivery timeline probably isn't much of a surprise given that retention tanks are being fitted to the classic sets, but given the conversations I have seen on this thread around the platform lengths at Inverness will it be doable to have all incoming and outgoing services from Inverness as 5-car without lengthening a couple of the platforms?
hexagon789
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So ideally in 21 months well have the full fleet.
Is that all 26 sets or simply all the Classics? Either way, additional TS vehicles is very welcome as many people have expressed concern that the 2+4s are approaching insufficient capacity.
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From the way it was described, the additional trailers would be procured and converted after the completion of the existing order, so it would be the refurbished trains only.
hexagon789
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So they'll be running all 2+5, instead of sixteen 2+5 and nine 2+4.
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LNER currently operate 2+9 HSTs (soon to become Azumas) to Inverness so their needs also come into this, as do Caledonian Sleeper. Of course there are also long special charter trains to be allowed for as well. Combined with Scotrail shorter HSTs to Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow the number of trains wanting to use the 4 south facing platforms should be manageable - until two power cars are added onto the revenue earning vehicles!
I've only found one picture of the ends of Platforms 3 and 4; https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/653331 More precise measurements of effective platform lengths, train lengths, signalling distances and timetabling will be crucial if longer trains are to operated .
There's an old thread about Inverness platforms that may be of interest; https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/inverness-mysterious-platform-7.79144/
1A53 bore a striking resemblance to a 170 today, so I guess HA945 had taken the hump with the world at large. Intrigued to see if HA972 wants to meet me tomorrow to claim the prized crown of bigmoose’s first Scotrail HST.
thanks for this. The increase to 75 from these will be most welcome, HSTs will achieve it with ease. I suppose any improvement in journey time will be offset by the new Kintore station stop when it opens.
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I'm at the Inverness station quite regularly so if anyone is wanting some additional photos of the current platforms, it's easy to take some to show the current setup.
I didn't get a picture of it as the barriers were active for the platforms but there was an impressive classic HST which had the leading power car in Scotrail livery, two coaches in the FGW livery, one coach in the dark green GWR livery and then the last coach and trailing power car in that default blue livery with the large bike symbol.
I didn't get a picture of it as the barriers were active for the platforms but there was an impressive classic HST which had the leading power car in Scotrail livery, two coaches in the FGW livery, one coach in the dark green GWR livery and then the last coach and trailing power car in that default blue livery with the large bike symbol.
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Effectively - 75mph from Hutcheon St Tunnel all the way to Inverurie (small dip on one line at Kittybrewster) - the single to double connection at Kittyb is at 50mph turnout, the new crossover south of Inverurie is 50mph, the double to single north of Inverurie is a 50mph turnout - the new xover at Dyce for access to Raiths Farn is 25mph. Plus new runround facility at Kittyb to access Waterloo from the south - and yes to get back on topic - it has all been cleared for HST MkIII's
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