ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[CEN60]

Does anyone in the know if the 7:07 GLQ - Inv is still a 170? (or will I be lucky enough to get an HST of some sort or other - presumably classic? From what I see on here Refurb to Aberdeen only!

 

[hexagon789]

Does anyone in the know if the 7:07 GLQ - Inv is still a 170? (or will I be lucky enough to get an HST of some sort or other - presumably classic? From what I see on here Refurb to Aberdeen only!

Booked for an HST at the moment, but whether it is one...

 

[CEN60]

Booked for an HST at the moment, but whether it is one...

I understand what you say - I will report back next Wed morning! GLQ - INV - PLK!

 

[hexagon789]

I understand what you say - I will report back next Wed morning! GLQ - INV - PLK!

Just a heads-up, but I this may be the more relevant thread to do that in: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/scotrail-hst-trip-reports.185729/

 

[47271]

Does anyone in the know if the 7:07 GLQ - Inv is still a 170? (or will I be lucky enough to get an HST of some sort or other - presumably classic? From what I see on here Refurb to Aberdeen only!

I pass that train quite regularly on the way down in the morning. From experience I'd say at the moment it's 80% likely to be HST and, if it is an HST, 99.9% likely to be a Classic.

 

[GrimShady]

Has anyone noticed how filthy some of the transfers on the refurb sets are getting?

 

[kje7812]

Has anyone noticed how filthy some of the transfers on the refurb sets are getting?

Yes, and others mentioned it up thread. If it continues, I would argue that it would look better if the transfers were removed and the coaches (at least) were in plain livery.

 

[hexagon789]

Has anyone noticed how filthy some of the transfers on the refurb sets are getting?

Yes, but I recall seeing them filthy practically from the beginning tbh, it's not a recent development so perhaps the nature of the vinyls doesn't lend itself to easy cleaning.

 

[Highlandspring]

It looks to me like the brake dust is somehow getting underneath the vinyl. It’s pretty manky looking anyway.

 

[hexagon789]

It looks to me like the brake dust is somehow getting underneath the vinyl. It’s pretty manky looking anyway.

Splitstream whipping it up or something? Agree though, for a premium brand it's not looking so premium!

 

[Northhighland]

It looks to me like the brake dust is somehow getting underneath the vinyl. It’s pretty manky looking anyway.

Certainly looking scruffy very quickly. Be better to look a this now, perhaps something different could be done for the one or two still in the works programme...

 

[David M]

The class 365s were looking tatty around the Scotrail stickers very soon after their introduction so you'd have hoped lessons would have been learned. I can understand the abellio stickers and the living wage stickers on the doors being as such but, since the whole idea of the Scotrail saltire branding was to minimise changes needed if the franchise ended, I'm not sure I see the logic of not having painted the HSTs.

 

[43096]

The class 365s were looking tatty around the Scotrail stickers very soon after their introduction so you'd have hoped lessons would have been learned. I can understand the abellio stickers and the living wage stickers on the doors being as such but, since the whole idea of the Scotrail saltire branding was to minimise changes needed if the franchise ended, I'm not sure I see the logic of not having painted the HSTs.

They are base painted. It’s the seven cities branding and graphic designs that are vinyl.

Should have stuck with the standard SpotRail scheme....

 

[David M]

They are base painted. It’s the seven cities branding and graphic designs that are vinyl.

Yes, I realise that.

 

[43096]

Yes, I realise that.

Your post suggested otherwise..... “I’m not sure I see the logic of not having painted the HSTs”.

 

[David M]

365s tatty around the Scotrail stickers - I can understand the abellio stickers and the living wage stickers on the doors being as such

Your post suggested otherwise..... “I’m not sure I see the logic of not having painted the HSTs”.

Only to you.

 

[43096]

Only to you.

Any need for the attitude?

 

[InvHst]

Does anyone in the know if the 7:07 GLQ - Inv is still a 170? (or will I be lucky enough to get an HST of some sort or other - presumably classic? From what I see on here Refurb to Aberdeen only!

It's one of the more regular workings of a classic HST you should be okay I have only seen it miss about 4 trips since it came onto the system

 

[GrimShady]

They are base painted. It’s the seven cities branding and graphic designs that are vinyl.

Should have stuck with the standard SpotRail scheme....

Yuck! Please no more of that hideous SpotRail livery.

IMO the 385s should be painted in a version of the 7 cities livery.

 

[John Bishop]

Refurb set operating 1T72 Inverness to Glasgow this afternoon. 1 refurb and 2 classic sets sitting in the sidings at Inverness. Most other HML services operating as 170s. Some of these reported as Full and Standing throughout!

 

[Caleb2010]

They do seem to have done things the wrong way round don't they! They've allocated the HST's to duties, allocated seats on them - then replaced the HST's with 170's or on the odd occasion a 158!

Whereas they should have really planned to use 170's and replace them with the larger capacity HST's.

Now that would have been a win for ScotRail. They would have gained respect rather than lost it by running what is essentially short formed journeys.

 

[Highland37]

Yes and in addition to the above, if they weren't in such denial about the state of things, they would also earn respect. I raised a question with a local MSP about the poorer quality of transport for bikes and he was informed that Abellio say the HSTs are the solution. That is nonsense. It is a truism to say the HSTs offer the worst cycle capacity for decades.

 

[47271]

There was a particularly nasty 170 roaming the HML at the end of last week. I don't do numbers normally, but 170419 has got to be the most unpleasant pile of junk served up on the line by Scotrail for some time.

It's one of the ones in plain blue and still with the threadbare Scotrail NatEx interior - near on 15 years since they lost the franchise. Not a whiff of aircon anywhere in the set other than the very centre of Coach C, and the overcrowding on the 1333 Edinburgh-Inverness on Friday afternoon made a particularly choice combination with 24C outside. Oh, and no seat reservations obviously.

Welcome to Inter7City.

 

[43096]

They do seem to have done things the wrong way round don't they! They've allocated the HST's to duties, allocated seats on them - then replaced the HST's with 170's or on the odd occasion a 158!

Whereas they should have really planned to use 170's and replace them with the larger capacity HST's.

Now that would have been a win for ScotRail. They would have gained respect rather than lost it by running what is essentially short formed journeys.

It will be interesting to see how ScotRail cope after the expected transfer of 170416-420 to EMR in the near future.

 

[John Bishop]

There was a particularly nasty 170 roaming the HML at the end of last week. I don't do numbers normally, but 170419 has got to be the most unpleasant pile of junk served up on the line by Scotrail for some time.

It's one of the ones in plain blue and still with the threadbare Scotrail NatEx interior - near on 15 years since they lost the franchise. Not a whiff of aircon anywhere in the set other than the very centre of Coach C, and the overcrowding on the 1333 Edinburgh-Inverness on Friday afternoon made a particularly choice combination with 24C outside. Oh, and no seat reservations obviously.

Welcome to Inter7City.

Yup, that one was on today, absolute oven onboard!

 

[Struner]

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@47271 that made me smile

 

[Chrism20]

They do seem to have done things the wrong way round don't they! They've allocated the HST's to duties, allocated seats on them - then replaced the HST's with 170's or on the odd occasion a 158!

Whereas they should have really planned to use 170's and replace them with the larger capacity HST's.

Now that would have been a win for ScotRail. They would have gained respect rather than lost it by running what is essentially short formed journeys.

I suggested pretty much this on here a few months back and the only real objection was that people who booked seats at a table would end up being split up and in airline seats.

Realistically though it would have been easier to upset a few people who didn't get a table but did get a reserved seat than hack off an entire train full of people.

 

[47271]

@47271 that made me smile

He he, I understand the irony you're highlighting, but my screen name is a result of me having been photographed in a long since gone part of Inverness yard aged 1 and in front of 47271, so a bit of a family icon. The thought of being able to wander into a live railway with a small child and photograph them sat under the wheels of a locomotive is quite unbelievable now, blame my dad.

Otherwise I only see numbers when I'm angry, as in on Friday afternoon when I got off the train from Edinburgh, or when my wife goes shopping with the credit card. Only joking.

Anyway, back on topic...

 

[InvHst]

They do seem to have done things the wrong way round don't they! They've allocated the HST's to duties, allocated seats on them - then replaced the HST's with 170's or on the odd occasion a 158!

Whereas they should have really planned to use 170's and replace them with the larger capacity HST's.

Now that would have been a win for ScotRail. They would have gained respect rather than lost it by running what is essentially short formed journeys.

This issues have been caused by Aberdeen to inverness closure. When the line reopens on August 20th hopefully everything should become a bit more consistent

 

[InvHst]

Refurb set operating 1T72 Inverness to Glasgow this afternoon. 1 refurb and 2 classic sets sitting in the sidings at Inverness. Most other HML services operating as 170s. Some of these reported as Full and Standing throughout!

And their is also a refurb inside the depot for training