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Details on the scheme for TOCs have been announced today. The basic point is that Drivers, Guards/Train Managers and Rolling Stock maintenance staff are unable to apply at any TOC, as far as I can understand.

Applications opened 12pm today for 3 weeks.
 
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Details on the scheme for TOCs have been announced today. The basic point is that Drivers, Guards/Train Managers and Rolling Stock maintenance staff are unable to apply at any TOC, as far as I can understand.

Yes this is essentially how its going. I understand that certain areas such as train service delivery / control whilst not restricted and will be considered, may be slightly less likely to get accepted.
 

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I'm not sure if its different by TOC but what I've seen is this:

Everyone can apply for the scheme, however there are some exceptions. The roles that are excluded are Drivers, Train Managers/Guards and Train Maintenance Engineers.

The scheme is open for three weeks from October 13th 2021, and closes at midnight on November 2nd 2021


People can then apply for expressions of interest: We will review each these t to make sure there is no impact on safety or operational performance or safety. This means not everyone who applies will be successful, but we will let you why the decision has been taken.
 

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Anyone fancy posting the details?
This is what the RMT have to say:
Our Ref: BR1/14/2

13th October 2021

Dear Colleagues,

RAIL INDUSTRY RECOVERY GROUP
'INDUSTRY SPECIAL VOLUNTARY SEVERANCE SCHEME'


I am writing further to my letter of 20th September 2021, to advise you of further developments in this matter. The Union has received a proposal made by the Rail Industry Recovery Group (RIRG) Train Operating Company employers for a Department for Transport Funded 'Industry Special Voluntary Severance Scheme' that will be available to all Train Operating Companies (TOCs) that have signed up to the RIRG.

The DfT have confirmed that they have now approved the Special Industry-wide Voluntary Severance Scheme and can be launched to eligible employees across participating TOCs from 1200 today. The scheme will be open for a 3-week period closing at 2359 hours on Tuesday 2nd November 2021.

As outlined in my previous correspondence, the Union requested the TOCs provide a commitment that, whilst talks are ongoing, they will not roll out or implement the industry-wide voluntary severance scheme to any staff within the RMT’s spheres of influence and recognition. This position was rejected by the RIRG Train Operating companies.

RIRG companies intend to offer the Voluntary Severance (VS) as expressions of interest before any considerations or discussions of the future shape of the industry or the sections or grades within it have taken place.

The scheme will only apply to companies that are members of the RIRG, these are: Chiltern Railways, Cross Country Trains, Greater Anglia, London North-Eastern Railway, East Midlands Railway, C2C, Great Western Railway, Northern Railway, South Western Railway, Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern Railways, TransPennine Express, Avanti West Coast, West Midlands Railway.

Therefore, the VS Scheme will not apply to TOCs managed by devolved administrations or TOCs that are not part of the RIRG, these are ScotRail, Caledonian Sleeper, MerseyRail, TFL (LOROL, MTR Crossrail, Arriva Rail London), Transport for Wales. The RIRG has also confirmed that following the imminent transfer to the Operator of Last Resort, South Eastern Trains/Railways will be excluded from the VS scheme.

We have also been made aware that the scheme will exclude Train crew, such as Train Drivers (Including Depot and Shunting Drivers), Guards and Conductors (Including Train Managers) and Train Maintenance (Including Technical Riding inspectors (TRIs)) grades.

The Union has not agreed or signed up to the VS scheme that is being offered and we are strongly opposed to this scheme being introduced. Furthermore, these proposals have been put onto the union through discussions that have taken place outside of the RIRG, this is a serious breach of trust and an appalling way to hold talks.

Additionally, the scheme is detrimental to our collective agreements, such as PTR&R, and does not match the value of existing agreements. The news of the VS scheme is disappointing, and the Union is vehemently opposed to the imposition without agreement or discussion on the future structure of the industry. It is evident that the scheme being offered is a cut-price deal funded by the DfT in order to strip thousands of jobs from the railway. This will inevitably lead to an unsafe working environment and will adversely impact the safety and accessibility for passengers across the network.

Your Union’s National Executive Committee will consider this matter further and will consider the RMT’s response to this situation.

I will write to you again once I have further information.

Yours sincerely

Michael Lynch
General Secretary

There is also this website with info for staff: https://myrailfuture.co.uk/

The calculator on that site is of particular interest for staff who might be considering an application under the scheme.
 

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I'm not sure if its different by TOC but what I've seen is this:

Everyone can apply for the scheme, however there are some exceptions. The roles that are excluded are Drivers, Train Managers/Guards and Train Maintenance Engineers.

The scheme is open for three weeks from October 13th 2021, and closes at midnight on November 2nd 2021


People can then apply for expressions of interest: We will review each these t to make sure there is no impact on safety or operational performance or safety. This means not everyone who applies will be successful, but we will let you why the decision has been taken.

It is the same message for every TOC, the timeframes are the same for all, open from today for a period of three weeks to express an interest. It will then be up to the individual TOC's where they feel they can trim down and this will dictate from which roles they will accept VSS applications from.
 

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I work in education and I have to concur. We had redundancies and the staffing levels were stripped back, those of us that survived then picked up the work of all those who had gone.

This is nationalised industry, the state sector, run by bean counters.
This is effectively inevitable. One thing that appears to happen in some school staff grades is also that long service is actually penalised. For example someone with 3 years experience and someone with 15 years experience doing the same role may be paid the same, but the latter person will inevitably need to handle the more difficult cases and be responsible for giving more assistance and support to colleagues. So you essentially get more work as your skills develop, but no corresponding pay rises. If you accept a promotion you may achieve a very modest pay rise but will be given a disproportionate increase in responsibility. I know several people who've racked up years and years of experience as teaching assistants, network managers, librarians, receptionists and administrators in schools, and who the school rely on very heavily, but with very poor rewards.
 

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Knew it was inevitable but still displeased that just because I’m a driver it makes me indispensable.
 

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Knew it was inevitable but still displeased that just because I’m a driver it makes me indispensable.
Indispensable? No. Eligible, when in a shortage area, for a pay-off to go? No.
 

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No, our emails specifically said we where not eligible for a nice pay off which is unfortunate.
As a civil servant my particular skillset meant that l was similarly not permitted to apply for early severance packages in the past. Irritating but at least you have a secure job.
 

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Knew it was inevitable but still displeased that just because I’m a driver it makes me indispensable.

We are damn lucky so far. If you’re not happy I guess you could take early retirement as you’ve said you’ve been on the railway a number of years. I’m thanking my lucky stars.
 

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We are damn lucky so far. If you’re not happy I guess you could take early retirement as you’ve said you’ve been on the railway a number of years. I’m thanking my lucky stars.
Oh yes I could but this would’ve been an added bonus.

As a civil servant my particular skillset meant that l was similarly not permitted to apply for early severance packages in the past. Irritating but at least you have a secure job.
Yes I know what you mean.
 

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No, our emails specifically said we where not eligible for a nice pay off which is unfortunate.

Probably not something to be too upset about at the moment. Even with service cuts there’s likely to be a major shortage of operating staff lasting several years, especially for those operators who haven’t managed to do much training during Covid.

Frustrating, but no worse off that pre-Covid.
 

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You’ve probably had enough of a bonus the past 18 months. I’ve sat spare many days during that time.
Not really. Been business as usual.

Probably not something to be too upset about at the moment. Even with service cuts there’s likely to be a major shortage of operating staff lasting several years, especially for those operators who haven’t managed to do much training during Covid.

Frustrating, but no worse off that pre-Covid.
I think you’ve got my comments the wrong way round. I’m disappointed not to get the chance to leave the industry.
 
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It'll be interesting to hear how RPMI/RailPen cope with the sudden influx of potential claimants...
 

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Well, in all honesty, you do have the chance to leave the industry. You aren't eligible for even more moolah to go, but you can still go.
Of course. Was planning to on my 40th anniversary but if it can be made lucratively earlier then I’d be foolish not to jump in. Always did seem too good to be true though. Oh well, a couple more years.
 

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Not really. Been business as usual.


I think you’ve got my comments the wrong way round. I’m disappointed not to get the chance to leave the industry.

I get what you mean, just that on balance I wouldn’t be *too* disappointed over it, given all the brown-stuff-storm which is now likely to be going on for some time.

It’s going to be a very rocky few years, and not just for our gas bills!
 

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I think you’ve got my comments the wrong way round. I’m disappointed not to get the chance to leave the industry.
I suspect this is Round 1, pre-GBR.
Round 2 will be when DfT/GBR decide to match services with demand, rather than trying to reinstate the pre-Covid timetable.
There will then be fewer/shorter trains to operate.
If usage recovers then maybe Round 2 won't happen, but there's bound to be a realignment of services (eg more leisure, less commuting).
 

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I get what you mean, just that on balance I wouldn’t be *too* disappointed over it, given all the brown-stuff-storm which is now likely
I know. Cheers.

I suspect this is Round 1, pre-GBR.
Round 2 will be when DfT/GBR decide to match services with demand, rather than trying to reinstate the pre-Covid timetable.
There will then be fewer/shorter trains to operate.
If usage recovers then maybe Round 2 won't happen, but there's bound to be a realignment of services (eg more leisure, less commuting).
Can’t see much changing this end. Continuing growth & natural wastage will see things staying pretty much as they are I personally feel.
 

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I know. Cheers.


Can’t see much changing this end. Continuing growth & natural wastage will see things staying pretty much as they are I personally feel.

Anyone in an “operational” type role is reasonably safe, though obviously the less indispensable the role the more vulnerable. I’d include guards in this perhaps except in areas where the infrastructure is already close too being DOO-ready.

Even if timetables get slashed, in many areas this will simply align things with resource availability - training and recruitment having taken such a hit. A slight complicating factor is some places have managed to do more training than others, but surely even those who have managed to get a lot done will still be well down on where they would have been.
 

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Anyone in an “operational” type role is reasonably safe, though obviously the less indispensable the role the more vulnerable. I’d include guards in this perhaps except in areas where the infrastructure is already close too being DOO-ready.

Even if timetables get slashed, in many areas this will simply align things with resource availability - training and recruitment having taken such a hit. A slight complicating factor is some places have managed to do more training than others, but surely even those who have managed to get a lot done will still be well down on where they would have been.
As posted earlier above, most TOCs have said drivers & guards are ineligible.

Obviously some drivers in their 50s or 60s might have liked to have cashed in, but it doesn’t quite work like that.

As for the medium/long-term future who knows. There’s still backlogs in many cases and if we go to a proper 7-day railway at all operators there will be more bodies required too.
 

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The Times reported the industry was looking to get rid of upto 10k people with 9k being from Network Rail. So only 1k from TOC's
 

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Probably looking to outsource everything. HMT standard tactics.

If so that would be the carousel continuing to go round and round. NR have spent some years trying to get more and more in-house. Same with TFL after the demise of the PPP.

The politicians just can’t resist tinkering.
 

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Another thing & what would probably have been the deal breaker for me should I’d been allowed to participate. Does anyone know whether safeguarded staff travel is retained with voluntary severance? I have always understood that it’s the two Rs (Redundancy or Retirement) as long as 20 years service has been completed.
 
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