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Should we introduce a 3rd class?
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Ivo
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I think the names would need a revision...
1st = Premium
2nd = Standard
3rd = Cattle
Unless you are looking at routes no longer than, say, Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly, I would have to say no.
Moo
1st = Premium
2nd = Standard
3rd = Cattle
Unless you are looking at routes no longer than, say, Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly, I would have to say no.
Moo
d1015fan
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I think the names would need a revision...
1st = Premium
2nd = Standard
3rd = Cattle
Unless you are looking at routes no longer than, say, Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly, I would have to say no.
Moo
sorry do we not have cattle class on an fgw 153 already lol
gordonthemoron
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Öbb - Railjet already have 3 classes:
Premium
First
Economy
Premium
First
Economy
When I get on my train in the mornings, I have to stand most of the time anyway, so I wouldn't mind a third class if I could save a bit of money. The cost of getting to Kings Cross is really starting to go up.
On the way back, I normally manage to get a seat though, and I'd hate having to stand for thirty minutes in the evening!
On the way back, I normally manage to get a seat though, and I'd hate having to stand for thirty minutes in the evening!
Put it this way, would you rather stand up on a train for thirty minutes, or sit down? They couldn't charge more or less for standing up if they did have a 3rd class, surely.
d1015fan
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Perhaps I was misunderstanding what was being said. There would be a differential, but I wouldn't put it past them to make the current standard class fares the new 3rd class and make the new second class fares more expensive than now. Perhaps 3rd class could have seats if they were available, but would have to vacate them for 2nd class ticket holders if the train filled up?
That's a fair point with a very strong element of truth in it. But it would still have to be cheaper for standing. At my local football ground you can watch the game standing up, and it's cheaper. On Ryanair (which is saying something) they were thinking of making a standing class.
Ivo
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They could always do it the Vietnamese way (based on the Top Gear Vietnam special a couple of years ago) and introduce park benches to carriages! 
Jordy
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No, that's true, a ticket (providing you don't have a seat reservation) doesn't guarantee you a seat.
EM2
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He's not joking at all. All a ticket allows is for you to travel on a train. It doesn't mean you get a seat, unless you book a reservation with it.
d1015fan
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They could always do it the Vietnamese way (based on the Top Gear Vietnam special a couple of years ago) and introduce park benches to carriages!
is that not the inside of a fgw 142. seems like fgw has unoffically got a 3rd class
Although within TOCs passengers charter they specify the maximum amount of time you should have to stand for, usually 20 minutes at peak time.
They could always do it the Vietnamese way (based on the Top Gear Vietnam special a couple of years ago) and introduce park benches to carriages!
You know, if I got on my train in the morning and saw a park bench, somehow, I wouldn't be suprised!
Ivo
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Difference between a bus bench and a park bench! By "park bench", I quite literally mean a set of two, three or four planks of wood on a couple of wooden supports. Compared to that, FGW 142s are luxury - and 153s are King's Class!
d1015fan
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ohhh i never knew that one. and what happens if you have to stand over that length of time
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sounds like. could be like india and have passengers hanging onto the train everywhere
If I end up standing for twenty minutes, I usually don't see the point in sitting down!
OR what about
1st class - 1st class 2+1 seats
2nd class - Voyager standard class seats
3rd class - Chapman 2+2 seating
4th class - Alphaline 2+2 seating
5th class - Desiro 2+2 seating
6th class - Desiro 3+2 seating
7th class - 150 original 3+2 seating
8th class - Standard Pacer 3+2 seating
9th class - Merseytravel 3+2 seating
10th class - standing/sat on floor/
That's effectively how it is now although you pay the same for 2nd class as 9th class and you don't always get a choice.
Of course it could be argued that a form of third class already exists (cough..pacers...cough).
In all seriousness, there is probably a market for "premium standard" or "standard+" on intercity services. Many airlines have introduced a "Premium Economy", with BA and Virgin Atlantic being examples.
11 Class - sat in toilet cubicle (on the floor) - must vacate when requested!!
In all seriousness, there is probably a market for "premium standard" or "standard+" on intercity services. Many airlines have introduced a "Premium Economy", with BA and Virgin Atlantic being examples.
11 Class - sat in toilet cubicle (on the floor) - must vacate when requested!!
Premium Economy is little different from Economy. I tried the BA Premium Economy and was distinctively unimpressed. Virgin Atlantic on the other hand are excellent and in my view, always provide good service for what you are paying for.
You need to complain to the relevant operator and point out that they are breaching their passengers charter. Different TOCs will react in different ways but you're unlikely to get a travel voucher each time you have to stand for over 20 minutes.
Ivo
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If I were paid pound every time I had to stand for over twenty minutes, I'd be typing this from a millionair's island!
flymo
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I remember travelling from Newcastle to KX a few years ago and on some trains coach E on HST's or whatever it was on the 225's, next to the buffet was for full standard class tickets only, no saver/super saver/apex/whatever other cheaper tickets were available riff-raff. :grin:
I think this was at the end of the BR era. It seemed like a bit of premium economy in a way I suppose though, not too busy and free cuppas and choccy biccies. It was fun to see the non full fare ticket holder get turfed out into the bowels of standard class.
I think this was at the end of the BR era. It seemed like a bit of premium economy in a way I suppose though, not too busy and free cuppas and choccy biccies. It was fun to see the non full fare ticket holder get turfed out into the bowels of standard class.
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