What like you're bashing the media? Maybe they're just doing their best to keep everyone informed?:roll:
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Do be aware that trams are likely to be packed between Croydon and Wimbledon
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Southern Trains major disruption due to conductor rail problem near Clapham Jn 30/04
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What like you're bashing the media? Maybe they're just doing their best to keep everyone informed?:roll:
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Do be aware that trams are likely to be packed between Croydon and Wimbledon
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Deepgreen
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Sky News has a particularly useless helicopter-borne video with the story showing nothing but the SWT side of the station and the yard, with not a second of footage of the affected area!
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That just leaves 5L05 and two unidentified trains to shift. I noticed 1Z99 move off but it disappeared for ages so I gave up watching. 5A17 is now on the down fast outside CJ (eastern end), so is presumably being taken to Selhurst/similar. 5L05 is also now in the up fast platform.
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5L05 has moved off as well! Either Network Rail sent for 2 rescue locos; or they're able to move off under their own power. If both trains are damaged I wonder where they'll send them? Selhurst I would guess!
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O93196/2015/04/30/advanced
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and frankly, why on earth shouldn't they? Three plus hours (some reports of people being stranded for five hours) in a sealed train, with no air-conditioning, no toilets and no drinkable water, followed by a much-delayed evacuation onto the track, is highly irregular, and really isn't acceptable.
Really? I thought it would be busy going away from London in the evenijg peak? Although I'm not sure which way is from London, towards Wimbledon or Croydon?
Ared Redhill trains towards London busy?
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Deepgreen
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I hope the crew opened the normally-locked hoppers on all those they could. This is exactly the scenario that those were provided for on the 377s.
I recall when I went to Signalling School in September 1972, we crept from C Jct and then ground to halt half way to Victoria, this was about 8.00, sat there for ages, everyone chatting on the train or read papers, oddly not much moaning about the lack of movement, by 1030 we had not turned a wheel, but still no real anger / swearing, by 1100 we had been detrained and walked to Battersea Park Stn, where we were told to get a bus or make our own way to the Waterloo line ! think I arrived in Beckenham about 1230 ! that was also due to 'power supply problems' if I recall a displaced juice rail knocked by a previous faulty train.
Deepgreen
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I was away from my desk for 5 mins and now they've all gone! Just leaves 1G51 in the down fast platform at CJ.
Not sure they were damaged, think it was just a general power failure
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Very misplaced !
Ah ok. There was talk the damaged "conrail" rose up & knocked the shoes off one of the trains! How true that is I don't know.
Deepgreen
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At least one train lost its shoes either as a result of an already-displaced juice rail, or during the displacement. I would have thought that following trains would not be damaged (although National Rail states that there has been "damage to a number of trains") as they would not have got anywhere near the displaced section (unless a couple of miles were affected!). The breakdown loco/train is now heading between Balham and Wandsworth Common.
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In reverse, I got the number 50 bus from outside the Whitgift Centre to Clapham Common. There may be quicker ways, but it got me there in the end.
In reverse, I got the number 50 bus from outside the Whitgift Centre to Clapham Common. There may be quicker ways, but it got me there in the end.
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I could have worded it better but trying to get on a tram at Wimbledon is likely to be a stressful experience
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Oh come on surely the media are making this up?
On a more serious note it is a good idea to have at least have a bottle of water with you when embarking on a train journey
You could get the Overground to Peckham Rye, then the West Croydon train or the 197 bus.
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Were you able to open the windows back then? It seems that there is no air conditioning on the stranded trains, the heat and poor air quality is bound to cause tempers to rise.
So I can either chance it at Clapham or chance it at Redhill
Can't you go via Epsom? Or get the direct Guildford-Wimbledon train?
As someone mentioed before the tram at Wimbledon will be impossible to get on.
Deepgreen
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It appears that the up fast is in use again, with 1C63 (ex-Bognor Regis) approaching CJ 22 late.
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Given that the (down) GatEx trains are probably carrying those with the least travel options, could they go via Brixton and Herne Hill to East Croydon instead of running buses to Gatwick which must be quite a difficult journey? Or is that route not cleared?
Actually, forget Epsom, the Dorking-Epsom-Croydon trains aren't any better...
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There was a massive scrum to get on the tram at Wimbledon this morning (~9.30) as a result of displaced passengers from Clapham Jct attempting to get to Croydon.
Bletchleyite
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They'd probably just open the doors and detrain themselves, absent any kind of door locking.
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And the rare Kensington lines used by Cross Country when they ran this way. I belieev the daily Southern train that used to do this is no more (and so for sometime).
Bletchleyite
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Given that it should be fairly obvious once something like a dislodged conductor rail has occurred that things won't be moving any time soon, thus leading to a decision to evacuate, that seems excessive. With the huge police and railway resource available in the London area compared with elsewhere, I can't see why evacuations could not have been completed far more quickly than that - in any event started within 1-2 hours and completed within 3.
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