TFL Court summon , conviction implications ?

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  1. mus9

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    I have previously been stopped when exiting a station because I tapped out incorrectly due to card clash , on that instance I payed an out of court settlement of £300.

    However I have a court summon for a different case in February I was rushing I had £2.80 on my card 16+ at Greenford station train was coming so I tapped and squeezed through the barrier because I thought I tapped it correctly and it took my money , so I squeezed through and the revenue inspector was watching me , I explained that I was going to hospital and I had sufficient amount on my card to travel 2 stops.

    Anyway I've got s court summon which is stressing me out .

    It's under offence BYELAW 17 - no person shall enter a compulsory ticket area without valid ticket.

    I tried getting an out of court settlement but it's my second time and they rejected my offer of £500.

    To put simply I want to become a teacher in future will this effect me , will it turn up on the CRB checks ?

    Because I know teaching kids they do enhanced checks
    I know it was a stupid mistake but it happend and would really want some information on this.
     
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    It definitely won't show up on a standard DBS check, and I don't believe it will show up on an enhanced check as it is a non-recordable prosecution, and in any case isn't relevant to working with children.
     
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    To be fair to the OP, he did say as much in his post.
     
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    Both times he squeezed through the gate. I can see why TfL want to prosecute.
     
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    Surely not - won't Peter Hendy see this as a mistake? :roll:
     
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    The OPs last post in that thread was:

    "I am in serious trouble and u guys are no help at all ?? "
     
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    Well, he got an answer to his question so he can't say we're no help this time.
     
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    I believe it's only first offence that you can offer an out of court settlement, no chance of an out of court settlement for a second offence the TOC will pursue it to court
     
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    Advice 1: learn from your mistakes.
    Advice 2: learn from your mistakes.
    Advice 3: go to Court, by very apologetic and contrite and hope that the Magistrates are feeling lenient.
    Advice 4: learn from your mistakes.
     
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    One question that might be relevant to the OP is: is that 16+ valid?

    That other thread says end of last April they were 18. As I understand it, 16+ is available to those who are under 18 on 31 Aug, which only would have left less than a 4 mth window for renewal, as they must be 19 now.

    Possibly worth enquiring as that might possibly affect things if it's not?
     
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    if you have to "Squeeze" through the gates, its not open.
     
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    According to the previous thread, before that there was also a Underground 'problem':

    (Link if need be: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=99951)

    So am I right in thinking that this is the 3rd dispute, (2nd one posted on the forum)?
     
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    Technically, there is nothing stopping a TOC accepting a settlement any number of times. In practice, they are much more likely to prosecute on a second (or later) offence.
     
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    This confusion arose in that thread but the OP said it was just one occasion.
     
  16. PermitToTravel

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    mus9:
    • It's unlikely that this will have implications for your employment.
    • It sounds to me like you'll be able to afford the fine.
    • It also sounds to me like you'd be able to afford train tickets...
     
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    Fair enough - I did think that 3 times was taking the mick and verging on unbelievable, but considering the amount of law students we have rocking up in this part of the forum then anything can happen ;)
     
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    Yeah I know it's my second time ...

    First time I paid an out of court settlement

    And yes you guys were helpful on both occasions

    Do you guys think i should go to court ? Or just plea guilty via paper ? Because aslong as it doesn't effect my future e.g going to USA , coming up on my CRB check I wouldn't mind because it's cheaper £150 for the court payment it says on the letter .

    Thanks
     
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    I don't see that you have any defence so my suggestion (bearing in mind that I'm not a lawyer) is to plead guilty.
     
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    Sorry to be pedantic but if you're going to be a teacher could you please learn the difference between effect and affect?
     
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    If he's going to be a teacher I'd settle for him learning the difference between right and wrong...
     
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    You might also have mentioned spelling, grammar and punctuation.
     
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    I will comment on the £150 reference – this is one of a number of amounts you would need to pay if convicted in court. You would also potentially need to pay a fine. And there is a victim surcharge, and possibly a fourth kind of payment that isn't coming to mind right now.

    Did you have a valid ticket loaded on your Oyster card at the time you attempted to travel?
     
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    I'm sure the OP really wants to be reminded of his past ;)

    If the TOC decides to prosecute, then surely this becomes recordable and the OP has to declare it on an enhanced DBS check?

    With respect to employment (in any job), I would rather employ somebody with integrity and honesty
     
  26. mus9

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    As far as the spelling errors etc are concerned this isn't a marked and graded website ,

    well someone told me if convicted on byelaws it doesn't get put on your CRB

    Also I had £2.80 on the card it cost 0.75£ on 16+ oyster as soon as the officer let me go I tapped in and left I didn't top it up because there was sufficient amount.

    Anyway thanks all even the guys who like to bring my integrity into it
     
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    Dependent on where he lives, the OP may find his case reported in local newspapers. One of my local weekly free papers includes a section reporting all penalties imposed by the local magistrates - and this will almost certainly register in an on-line search for the offender's name.
     
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    Our local Paper does that as well, I enjoy reading that bit! :lol:
     
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    This question hasn't been answered.

    Your actions speak louder than our words.
     
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    In fairness to those guys, it seems to be your own behaviour at ticket barriers that has brought your integrity into question.
     
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