Thameslink class 377 future

387star · 10 May 2016

physics34 said:
So hopefully we'll see a 377/5 in grey and blue in the summer sometime.

Are they due a c6 any time soon ?

I notice they weren't refreshed when all the other southern 377s were

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physics34 · 10 May 2016

387star said:
Are they due a c6 any time soon ?

I notice they weren't refreshed when all the other southern 377s were

Yeh this year i think!

Class377/5 · 10 May 2016

physics34 said:
So hopefully we'll see a 377/5 in grey and blue in the summer sometime.

No you won't. In fact ever.

387star said:
Are they due a c6 any time soon ?

I notice they weren't refreshed when all the other southern 377s were

There is some major work starting this year.

387star · 10 May 2016

Class377/5 said:
No you won't. In fact ever.

There is some major work starting this year.

Ah wow intriguing

physics34 · 10 May 2016

Class377/5 said:
No you won't. In fact ever.

There is some major work starting this year.

ooooooo...another new livery?!

petersi · 12 May 2016

Just read a rumour that 377 will not be on the gn routes until December at the earliest (some local paper Kings Lynn)

Class377/5 · 13 May 2016

petersi said:
Just read a rumour that 377 will not be on the gn routes until December at the earliest (some local paper Kings Lynn)

I'd bet that they are confused with squadron service for Electrostar's on GN. Was always planned for full introduction in December 2016 timetable change with units coming in during the May 2016 timetable change.

urpert · 16 May 2016

Robbies said:
Is it not also the case that some of the SouthEastern drivers are already trained on class 319's?

Yes - the Catford Loop stoppers used to be jointly worked by Southeastern/FCC drivers using 319s.

Class 466 · 16 May 2016

physics34 said:
Can't remember the exact number but I think it's 19 377/5s to great northern, with the remainder and the 377/2s to return to Southern to strengthen the Milton Keynes services to 8 car all day. The377/7s will then be used on metro services to replace some 455 workings

The 377s to southeastern idea hasn't really been confirmed.. Rumours Southeastern are getting a load of 319s when avaliable.. Not sure whether this will be instead of southerns 377s or aswell as.

Southeastern won't be getting any 319s, but are due something else.

Class377/5 · 16 May 2016

Not quite sure why physics34 put 377 to Southeastern hasn't been confirmed when it's been confirmed by DfT/GTR. They are getting 377s pretty much as planned/announced.

physics34 · 16 May 2016

Class377/5 said:
Not quite sure why physics34 put 377 to Southeastern hasn't been confirmed when it's been confirmed by DfT/GTR. They are getting 377s pretty much as planned/announced.

Only because it hasnt really been mentioned since the idea was first mooted several years ago, and that there was no mention of it in that rolling stock leasing document from last year(the one that confirmed that 6 x 442s would be staying at southern).

Where are the 365s that are now not going to GWR going to end up?

Class377/5 · 16 May 2016

physics34 said:
Only because it hasnt really been mentioned since the idea was first mooted several years ago, and that there was no mention of it in that rolling stock leasing document from last year(the one that confirmed that 6 x 442s would be staying at southern).

Where are the 365s that are now not going to GWR going to end up?

I'd have thought being part of the ITT was official enough. A lot of the unit stuff was redacted in the public versions. Not that that matters much as the contract between DfT and GTR means anything can be changed.

As for no 365s to GWR, I've never said that.

urpert · 16 May 2016

Class 466 said:
Southeastern won't be getting any 319s, but are due something else.

OK I'm really intrigued now.

Surely they're not going to put shoe gear back on the 365s?

(Despite currently being sat on a 442 I'm going to resist the temptation to say anything about them)

hwl · 16 May 2016

urpert said:
OK I'm really intrigued now.

Surely they're not going to put shoe gear back on the 365s?

(Despite currently being sat on a 442 I'm going to resist the temptation to say anything about them)

As 442 aren't cleared on SE routes and would be some actual infrastructure work to clear them I think SE users are safe

Just think of the dwell times at LBG! :lol:

Well there could be 377/5s or 387/1s spare now or the presumed 25x 377/1s could be available earlier.

swt_passenger · 16 May 2016

urpert said:
OK I'm really intrigued now.

How about an early arrival of the 25 x 377/x they are due to get in December 2017 (according to the TSGN franchise agreement and usually assumed to be 377/1), with the latter replaced temporarily on Southern by so many dual voltage 377 or 387 from Thameslink?

Surely they're not going to put shoe gear back on the 365s?

Surely it wouldn't be much of a technical challenge, if they wished to do that?

urpert · 16 May 2016

swt_passenger said:
How about an early arrival of the 25 x 377/x they are due to get in December 2017 (according to the TSGN franchise agreement and usually assumed to be 377/1), with the latter replaced temporarily on Southern by so many dual voltage 377 or 387 from Thameslink?

Surely it wouldn't be much of a technical challenge, if they wished to do that?

I've no idea, though I'm sure someone on here will know. It would certainly please the micro fleet-phobics to put all the Networkers in the same place.

Personally I'm just pleased that we don't seem to be getting 319s on Victoria-Orpington. IMO they're quite a step backward in comfort from 465s.

387star · 16 May 2016

I hope southern keep hold of 377101-119 best in the fleet for comfort..

MrB · 16 May 2016

387star said:
I hope southern keep hold of 377101-119 best in the fleet for comfort..

I believe that the 377/1s are the most likely to be cascaded to Southeastern. All rumour at this point however.

physics34 · 16 May 2016

387star said:
I hope southern keep hold of 377101-119 best in the fleet for comfort..

..and the 377/3s.

387star · 16 May 2016

physics34 said:
..and the 377/3s.

Ahh yes to think these were replaced by 313s

Although I think the full size tables have been replaced now with small side tables

Kite159 · 16 May 2016

387star said:
Ahh yes to think these were replaced by 313s

Although I think the full size tables have been replaced now with small side tables

Indeed, on the 377/3s they have been replaced with those smaller tables

physics34 · 16 May 2016

387star said:
Ahh yes to think these were replaced by 313s

Although I think the full size tables have been replaced now with small side tables

i wonder where they got them from and where the old ones went. They didnt look brand new when they were installed to be honest!

180zephyr · 21 May 2016

so what will southern get in exchange for giving 25 377/1s to SE?

Class 466 · 21 May 2016

180zephyr said:
so what will southern get in exchange for giving 25 377/1s to SE?

Nothing. They'll be released from services taken over by TL

JonathanH · 21 May 2016

180zephyr said:
so what will southern get in exchange for giving 25 377/1s to SE?

Class 466 said:
Nothing. They'll be released from services taken over by TL

ie services all day to Tattenham Corner and Horsham together with peak services to East Grinstead, Caterham and Littlehampton - easily free up 25 units from those

sonic2009 · 21 May 2016

Any idea of the first 700 in service?

Class377/5 · 21 May 2016

sonic2009 said:
Any idea of the first 700 in service?

Try the 700 thread. It has plenty of talk on the subject.

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