You always get so snappy and ultra defensive in threads.
You repeating the same complaints that quite frankly are untrue. The big one you repeatedly state is SE has had no new stock but fail to look at the 395 affecting the SE longer distance services and the 319/377/387/700 now running on former SE metro routes. And no stock has been cascaded away. So more units somehow equal nothing for you?
So overcrowding is worse elsewhere apparently - even though SE routes from Vic are crush loaded and people sometimes cannot board. This new stock you always bring up still means 4 and 6 carriage trains in the peak from Victoria so its clearly far from enough.
And some places don't even have four cars. Some places have to wait until second or third trains (as was the case for some on here on Thameslink prior to the 700s arrival).
Yes its clearly not enough but there isn't the money to fix every problem. The issues you raise simply aren't anywhere near the worst despite having the advantage of getting more stock meaning you cannot expect to have everything you want.
But even if we assume they're not in the top 5% of worse crowding, does that mean that trains that are crush loaded should not be relieved IF there's stock that could help and will be sitting idle, which is the case as 2017 progresses? You seem to think only the VERY worst services across the UK should be helped even if others are so busy people cannot board?!
The worst crush loaded trains should be tackled first. SE is not the worst at present. Therefore with limited resources the money needs to go to better deserving causes. Your making out that everything must be dealt with at once, that is an isane idea.
Again, NO ONE is saying 319s can move today. You always say, today, today, today when that isn't the question. It's about the coming 2 years at least. If enough are free by the summer, then driver training could commence and strengthened services arrive perhaps in a year. It's still better than waiting 2+ years, if ever given the jam tomorrow line always spouted on more stock that actually makes a difference. Given the many 6 coach trains in the peaks from Vic and Cannon Street what's happened so far has made little to no impact.
But why spend months teaching more drivers to learn the 319s then replace them a few months later? Its a huge waste of money and time for all.
Also you ignore where will the trains be maintained? SE doesn't have the depot capacity to look after the 319s (its not looking after the 377s either). So you will need to build a 319 depot that will look after the units for a few months. And no GTR cannot maintain the stock as they do not have the capacity to do so.
Are there not several Class 377/5 units transferring to SE in the short term at least? IIRC the Class 319s will be the final type to be replaced by the Class 700s on Thameslink.
Yes some did come over but SE gave up other stock to GTR I believe in a swap. Anyway, no net increase or longer services from this recent change.
6x 377 have been swapped for SE's 6x 319s.
However there is an increase as SE is using the units on whatever it wants so can use the units better rather than having to have them berth up for Thameslink limiting their freedom.
I get the same old comments on 700 faults, seats, tables etc. But no one has really given a clear answer of where all the 319s go when GTR no longer require them.
You cannot have a clear answer when one doesn't exist. The 30 or so units that currently don't have a home, don't have a home. If no-one is taking the units how can you find out where they are going? This point cannot be clearer.
And to be fair this is the class 700 thread, hence the comments over peoples views on class 700. This is no the Thameslink cascade thread nor is is the SE needs extra capacity or the future of 319 threads. I thought'd the title of the thread was clear on that?
