The EU could insist on much more stringent control for travel between EU and GB

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  1. Howardh

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    Mind you, if the ETIAS stops our drug-fuelled violent yobs from getting to Ibiza I'm all for it. They can go to Margate instead.
     
  2. Senex

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    But a little more to have to pay out, and a little more beaurocracy, in addition to the likely extra cost of health insurance (if you can get it!) once EHIC ceases, as against the freedom to move we have today.
     
  3. Howardh

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    Unless they are yobs and have a record (see above!)

    EDIT - more seriously it might deter those with serious medical conditions if they can't get insurance. I THINK medical issues have to be disclosed (anyone confirm)??
     
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  4. mmh

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    Neither Ireland nor the UK is ever likely to propose the end of the CTA. The right of British and Irish people to live and work in either country is so ingrained in the countries' psyche, day to day life, laws and institutions it'd not make any sense to remove easy travel just because the Ireland had re-united; it would be politically disastrous to suggest changing those rights, on both sides of the Irish Sea.
     
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    Will that survive now that we're outsiders?
     
  6. Howardh

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    Health insurance IS gonna be a hughe problem should we lose the EHIC.

    Example, last year my doc sent me to hospital for coranry checks (which took over nine months). During that time I couldn't find an insurer to fully insure me, I had to plump for one that insured non-coranry issues and relied in the EHIC for the immediate cover should I be ill. Also the insurance cost tripled to over £60.

    Had the EHIC not been available, I simply couldn't have risked a holiday abroad. happily it seems after all I'm fine and good to go when I get my final clearance - just the best part of a year wasted on tests and worrysome holidays.
     
  7. Howardh

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    Fair enough, but there's nothing stopping an independent Irish state offering their citizens a referendum on joining Schengen and cutting ties with the UK. Might even just be cutting ties with ENG/Wales if Scotland becomes indy. I'll admit it's well down the line, but can't be ruled out.
     
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    That would lead to another Sangatte, not in their interest, what they will do is increase the substantial charge that we are obliged to pay for security around Calais and Dunkerque.
     
  9. Howardh

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    And if we don't pay it, hello boatloads of refugees. Of course we could always apply to join the EU and make it a joint issue.
     
  10. Meole

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    Border Control continues in
    Border Control operation in France is not EU related, it is bilateral
     
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    Why would we not pay for a facility is so clearly in our national interest ? It is not boatloads, a different matter, it is keeping the freight movement and trains secure that this is about.
     
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    You're going to the wrong part of Ibiza then! :) Santa Eulalia is lovely and yob free! Ibiza's a great example of why it's hard to see that travel to these places will become difficult. Many Spanish islands and mainland resorts heavily rely on British tourists - you only need to see the destinations on the departure boards at Ibiza Airport in the season to know that.
     
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    It's a complicated issue for sure. Not insurmountable though, through agreements and exceptions with neighbours (the EU's no stranger to exceptions, it's full of them)

    I'm Welsh and by and large I mainly support independence for Wales, although cannot vote for the current Plaid Cymru. I neither want nor envisage passport checks on the border. Of course it's way down the list of things ever likely to happen!
     
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    Never is a long time. Ireland has been partitioned for a shorter period than it was not...
     
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    For the time being. Let's see how the E.U reacts if Boris tries to keep E.U fishing boats out of British waters and that's only for starters.
     
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    I'm actually a Formenteraphile; which is Ibiza's little sister island and all the more gorgeous for it. It's expensive which keeps the yobs away, but we get infested by boat-parties that moor with their 30-odd drunken revellers who pay for the trip and as much booze as they can't handle - so on the "quiet" beaches all we get is "thud/thud/thud" all afternoon. There are escape routes, the nude beaches on the Levante side avoid these yobs.
    But frankly locals are fed up with them, they love their money though. I suppose if they could swap them with Japanese they would at a stroke.

    St. Eulalia is nice (a lot nicer than PdB and San An!!) but not my style, I like Ibiza town itself, especially at night (so day trips to Formentera on the ferry and a night on the town is the perfect day).
     
  17. furnessvale

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    Wave them to where? On the ferries? Don't think they will allow them to board with a hefty fine for each one boarded when the ferry arrives at Dover.
     
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    San Antonio is a "never again" for me I'm afraid! To be honest I only went to St Eulalia as it was a family holiday planned by others. I was dreading it since my only previous experience of ibiza was SA, so I was pleasantly wrong! Didn't try Ibiza Town despite planning to, unfortunately the bus was just at that "can I be bothered" length for me for an early evening out there :(

    I wonder if there are stats for the nationality of visitors to the different islands, although I suppose many must have resorts preferred by different countries - certainly my favourite town on Tenerife (Puerto de la Cruz - although it's suffering somewhat since the economic downturn) is predominantly a destination for Germans.

    It would be a great shame for us all of access to these places was harder, regardless of our views on the EU!
     
  19. Aictos

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    That’s a really stupid idea, words fail me!
     
  20. Pyreneenguy

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    Why should France have all the inconvenience of thousands of economic refugees, who want just one thing, enter the U.K ?
     
  21. furnessvale

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    Please see #107.
     
  22. Howardh

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    Er no. You haven't read the on-line Guardian today which explains exactly what happens? The refugees pay a third party (£3000 was quoted) to provide them with a boat, food and water to enable them to cross the channel. That boat is often a dingy suitable for about 10 (thirty are crammed on board) and certainly not suitable to cross the channel. However they go ahead in the hope to be picked up by British police/coastguards as they get better treatment than in the hands of the French. Those taking the cash are scammers and ultimately cause the deaths of those who drown.
    Do you really think refugees get a ticket on the P+O Calais-Dover ferry?
     
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    There most certainly are, and if I wasn't in a hurry to go out I'd link you to the Ibizan on-line paper which gives the full details. As it's such a huge industry the stats are gone over with a fine comb!
    Went to Tenerife in February once, nice to swim in the sea in winter, but overall not to my taste; I kinda like Menorca (away from Son Bou - too many "British/Irish theme bars") and the southern resorts on Mallorca. Inland and further north, Haarlem in the Netherlands is just exquisite - a thousand miles away from Amsterdam which is just a score of miles away. Luxembourg city is next on my list - by train hopefully.

    'night all, aparantly round here the trains are running OK so I'm off for a glass.
     
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    No need to wave them on to the ferries, they'll find all sorts of interesting places to hide. The border guards simply need to pretend to check each vehicle knowing only too well that there are hundreds of concealed illegals !
     
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    Let us get back to the hypothetical scenario that is stated on the very first posting on this thread.

    Which EU officially recognised spokesperson has actually commented upon the basis of this thread so far?
     
  26. Aictos

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    You’re forgetting France is much bigger then the UK so plenty of room for them to assail themselves and work towards French citizenship.
     
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    Why would they want to attack themselves?
     
  28. Pyreneenguy

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    What a stupid comment ! I think you are missing something : THEY DO NOT WANT TO SETTLE IN FRANCE. Why should France make an effort to integrate illegals who have no desire to stay ? They cannot easily expulse them as most of them have no identity documents showing where they came from. Best solution for the French, facilitate-by omission- their passage to the U.K.
     
  29. furnessvale

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    So no change from the current situation.
     
  30. Aictos

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    No more stupid then yours, best thing for the UK is to not accept any immigrants regardless of origin but that wouldn’t be fair on other countries who then have to accept them.

    The only reason why Sangatte was such a issue is because the French didn’t have such a favourable asylum regime compared to the UK that’s why a camp built for a few hundred ended up with thousands.

    Also I refer you to the Dublin Convention which clearly states:

    Under the Dublin Convention a refugee is supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country through which they travel, and a European Union member state may return an asylum seeker to that country.

    The convention is a treaty between EU member states which came into force in September 1997.

    Under the treaty a member state is responsible for handling an asylum application if a member of the asylum seeker's family has been granted refugee status in that country or if a refugee has been granted a visa or residence permit in that state.

    A member state is also responsible if the refugee has been able to enter its territory because of poor border controls or has been allowed to enter without a visa.

    Therefore France is not complying if passing all the issues to the UK.
     

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