Howardh
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Mind you, if the ETIAS stops our drug-fuelled violent yobs from getting to Ibiza I'm all for it. They can go to Margate instead.
But a little more to have to pay out, and a little more beaurocracy, in addition to the likely extra cost of health insurance (if you can get it!) once EHIC ceases, as against the freedom to move we have today.The current default position is that a UK citizien will be required to obtain an online visa waivure valid for 90 days at a cost of 10e, a small price for entry to the open borders and easy enough to complete, we already have similar when we journey to US etc.
Unless they are yobs and have a record (see above!)An e application prior to travel.
Completing an online waivure form on line then passing through an e gate at the arrival point is not going to deter any traveller.
What would the situation be should (probably when) Ireland re-unite? Then they can have total freedom across the land and join Schengen and drop the CTA.
Q; if I bought a new UK 10-yr passport in 2022; and Ireland re-united in 24, as my passport would say "UK and NI" could I claim to be Irish (as in the NI part) for 8 years and keep my freedom of movement, or would it be compulsory for all those in the North to obtain an Irish passport?
Will that survive now that we're outsiders?UK operates the juxtaposed border controls at the ports.
Health insurance IS gonna be a hughe problem should we lose the EHIC.But a little more to have to pay out, and a little more beaurocracy, in addition to the likely extra cost of health insurance (if you can get it!) once EHIC ceases, as against the freedom to move we have today.
Fair enough, but there's nothing stopping an independent Irish state offering their citizens a referendum on joining Schengen and cutting ties with the UK. Might even just be cutting ties with ENG/Wales if Scotland becomes indy. I'll admit it's well down the line, but can't be ruled out.Neither Ireland nor the UK is ever likely to propose the end of the CTA. The right of British and Irish people to live and work in either country is so ingrained in the countries' psyche, day to day life, laws and institutions it'd not make any sense to remove easy travel just because the Ireland had re-united; it would be politically disastrous to suggest changing those rights, on both sides of the Irish Sea.
That would lead to another Sangatte, not in their interest, what they will do is increase the substantial charge that we are obliged to pay for security around Calais and Dunkerque.and the French tell us to "clear off..."?
And if we don't pay it, hello boatloads of refugees. Of course we could always apply to join the EU and make it a joint issue.That would lead to another Sangatte, not in their interest, what they will do is increase the substantial charge that we are obliged to pay for security around Calais and Dunkerque.
Border Control continues inDo we still have customs men and/or police in Calais? If so will this continue now we have left the EU?
Border Control operation in France is not EU related, it is bilateralDo we still have customs men and/or police in Calais? If so will this continue now we have left the EU?
Why would we not pay for a facility is so clearly in our national interest ? It is not boatloads, a different matter, it is keeping the freight movement and trains secure that this is about.And if we don't pay it, hello boatloads of refugees. Of course we could always apply to join the EU and make it a joint issue.
Mind you, if the ETIAS stops our drug-fuelled violent yobs from getting to Ibiza I'm all for it. They can go to Margate instead.
Fair enough, but there's nothing stopping an independent Irish state offering their citizens a referendum on joining Schengen and cutting ties with the UK. Might even just be cutting ties with ENG/Wales if Scotland becomes indy. I'll admit it's well down the line, but can't be ruled out.
Never is a long time. Ireland has been partitioned for a shorter period than it was not...Ireland can never leave the CTA, free movement across all Ireland is constitutional, so never in Schengen.
UK operates the juxtaposed border controls at the ports.
I'm actually a Formenteraphile; which is Ibiza's little sister island and all the more gorgeous for it. It's expensive which keeps the yobs away, but we get infested by boat-parties that moor with their 30-odd drunken revellers who pay for the trip and as much booze as they can't handle - so on the "quiet" beaches all we get is "thud/thud/thud" all afternoon. There are escape routes, the nude beaches on the Levante side avoid these yobs.You're going to the wrong part of Ibiza then! Santa Eulalia is lovely and yob free! Ibiza's a great example of why it's hard to see that travel to these places will become difficult. Many Spanish islands and mainland resorts heavily rely on British tourists - you only need to see the destinations on the departure boards at Ibiza Airport in the season to know that.
Wave them to where? On the ferries? Don't think they will allow them to board with a hefty fine for each one boarded when the ferry arrives at Dover.The question is, why should the French co-operate with us now we're a third country and the French could simply wave the refugees on their way?
I'm actually a Formenteraphile; which is Ibiza's little sister island and all the more gorgeous for it. It's expensive which keeps the yobs away, but we get infested by boat-parties that moor with their 30-odd drunken revellers who pay for the trip and as much booze as they can't handle - so on the "quiet" beaches all we get is "thud/thud/thud" all afternoon. There are escape routes, the nude beaches on the Levante side avoid these yobs.
But frankly locals are fed up with them, they love their money though. I suppose if they could swap them with Japanese they would at a stroke.
St. Eulalia is nice (a lot nicer than PdB and San An!!) but not my style, I like Ibiza town itself, especially at night (so day trips to Formentera on the ferry and a night on the town is the perfect day).
I would like to see the French border controls almost turning a blind-eye to illegal immigrants trying to get in the UK. It would take a huge load off the French , passing it on to the Brits.
After all, all these people want to enter the UK and not stay any length of time on the Continent. Just rewards for this almighty cock-up that is Brexit.
That’s a really stupid idea, words fail me!
Please see #107.Why should France have all the inconvenience of thousands of economic refugees, who want just one thing, enter the U.K ?
Er no. You haven't read the on-line Guardian today which explains exactly what happens? The refugees pay a third party (£3000 was quoted) to provide them with a boat, food and water to enable them to cross the channel. That boat is often a dingy suitable for about 10 (thirty are crammed on board) and certainly not suitable to cross the channel. However they go ahead in the hope to be picked up by British police/coastguards as they get better treatment than in the hands of the French. Those taking the cash are scammers and ultimately cause the deaths of those who drown.Wave them to where? On the ferries? Don't think they will allow them to board with a hefty fine for each one boarded when the ferry arrives at Dover.
There most certainly are, and if I wasn't in a hurry to go out I'd link you to the Ibizan on-line paper which gives the full details. As it's such a huge industry the stats are gone over with a fine comb!San Antonio is a "never again" for me I'm afraid! To be honest I only went to St Eulalia as it was a family holiday planned by others. I was dreading it since my only previous experience of ibiza was SA, so I was pleasantly wrong! Didn't try Ibiza Town despite planning to, unfortunately the bus was just at that "can I be bothered" length for me for an early evening out there
I wonder if there are stats for the nationality of visitors to the different islands, although I suppose many must have resorts preferred by different countries - certainly my favourite town on Tenerife (Puerto de la Cruz - although it's suffering somewhat since the economic downturn) is predominantly a destination for Germans.
It would be a great shame for us all of access to these places was harder, regardless of our views on the EU!
Please see #107.
Why should France have all the inconvenience of thousands of economic refugees, who want just one thing, enter the U.K ?
Why would they want to attack themselves?You’re forgetting France is much bigger then the UK so plenty of room for them to assail themselves and work towards French citizenship.
You’re forgetting France is much bigger then the UK so plenty of room for them to assail themselves and work towards French citizenship.
So no change from the current situation.Er no. You haven't read the on-line Guardian today which explains exactly what happens? The refugees pay a third party (£3000 was quoted) to provide them with a boat, food and water to enable them to cross the channel. That boat is often a dingy suitable for about 10 (thirty are crammed on board) and certainly not suitable to cross the channel. However they go ahead in the hope to be picked up by British police/coastguards as they get better treatment than in the hands of the French. Those taking the cash are scammers and ultimately cause the deaths of those who drown.
Do you really think refugees get a ticket on the P+O Calais-Dover ferry?
What a stupid comment ! I think you are missing something : THEY DO NOT WANT TO SETTLE IN FRANCE. Why should France make an effort to integrate illegals who have no desire to stay ? They cannot easily expulse them as most of them have no identity documents showing where they came from. Best solution for the French, facilitate-by omission- their passage to the U.K.