Haywain
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Scotrail (and Cal Sleeper?) come under the devolved government of Scotland and they already have the Young Scot railcard.
Young scot is only 33% off compared to the 50% from this cardScotrail (and Cal Sleeper?) come under the devolved government of Scotland and they already have the Young Scot railcard.
However, it does give 50% off season tickets (weekly and monthly) which is also one of the major attractions of the 16-17 railcard.Young scot is only 33% off compared to the 50% from this card
Not saying I'm unhappy I just want this new railcard to be accepted by scotrailHowever, it does give 50% off season tickets (weekly and monthly) which is also one of the major attractions of the 16-17 railcard.
If you are unhappy that the Scottish government think that the Young Scot card is sufficient for Scotland, I suggest that you take it up with them.
And that decision will be made by the franchise issuing body for Scotland, so tell them!Not saying I'm unhappy I just want this new railcard to be accepted by scotrail
The 16-17 Saver will entitle holders to 50% discount on Adult fares. The Saver does not entitle holders to Child Rate fares.
• Available as a maximum 1-year product only, no 3-year option
• The cost of the Saver is £30.00
• Available only to customers buying online through www.16-17saver.co.uk or via telesales. It cannot be purchased at stations or Licensed Retailers
• Available as a product fulfilled digitally to the ‘Railcard’ app on iOS and Android devices or as a physical card posted to the customer
• Customers will be able to use the 16-17 Saver to buy discounted travel (50% off) across the National Rail network, except on ScotRail and Caledonian Sleeper services. No minimum fare at any time
• 50% off Standard class Anytime, Off-Peak, Super Off-Peak and Advance fares. No discount on First Class tickets
• Not valid for Oyster pay as you go fares.
• 50% off 7-Day, Monthly, Period and Annual Season Tickets (no further discounts will apply, and annual Season Tickets should be on blue ticket stock)
• Discounted Season Tickets started before the 16-17 Saver expires can continue to be used for up to 4 months after expiry and should not be issued beyond the ‘Season Tickets Valid to’ date shown on the Saver (See Specimen Images below for details). No new discounted tickets can be issued after the 16-17 Saver expires.
• The 16-17 Saver will only be available to customers who are aged 16 or 17 years old
• The 16-17 Saver will only be available as a maximum of 1-year. If a customer turns 18 during the validity of their 16-17 Saver, it will only be valid until the day before their 18th birthday.
• The 16-17 Saver discount can be used on most Season Ticket types (some restrictions may apply. See TIS for eligibility)
I agree, they should make child tickets include 16 & 17 year olds. I could afford the railcard but, turning 18 in 6 months would be a waste of money. They could also have a student railcard where you get 50% adult fares, but have to show a student card as proof.It's a step in the right direction but I agree with @centraltrains that just moving the child boundary to 18 would make more sense. Alas the time it's being introduced is rather annoying for me as I'd only get about 4 months use from it so it probably isn't worth the money.
Transpennine Express do that already for Advance fares. If you have a 16-25 Railcard and an NUS card, the discount is increased from 34% to 50%. CrossCountry do something similar too.They could also have a student railcard where you get 50% adult fares, but have to show a student card as proof.
Transpennine Express do that already for Advance fares. If you have a 16-25 Railcard and an NUS card, the discount is increased from 34% to 50%. CrossCountry do something similar too.
I don't think you get a choice about turning 18! But seriously, if you are spending less than £60 in 6 months on train fares this product really isn't aimed at you.turning 18 in 6 months would be a waste of money.
You can hold both but you'll only get one lot of discount.Would you be able to pair the discount of this with a 16-25 Railcard?
Shame I cant even use it in my home city! Why scotrailWell the card was announced today. Available on the 20th for use from the 2nd September. Not valid on ScotRail or Caledonian Sleeper, and called a Saver as apposed to a railcard (presumably to prevent confusion with the 16-25 railcard). Unlike the 26-30 Railcard it is available as both a plastic card and a digital card on the railcard app.
Sorry if I'm being as stupid as possible here, but how does it work if you buy a ticket from, say, Glasgow to Edinburgh with it? Are you only permitted to use English TOCs?
Further, are holders of this railcard banned from accessing a load of &Connections tickets to Scotland from England/Wales?
It's the same with child fares to 16 though, if you used trains to get to secondary school and were born in September you would have to pay adult fares for most of yr11. I'm not justifying this, but they would need to change it so you got child fares until end of yr11 and then 16-17 saver fares to end of yr13. Like what tfl do in london, 11-15 oyster is valid until the 30th september when you're in year 12, regardless of your birthday.It seems unfair to me to withdraw availability at 18th birthday, especially for 6th form students who commute by train. My son was born in early September, so would be unable to use this card for all but one week of his year 13 (upper 6th). If he had been born a week earlier, validity would see him through all his school days. Seeing it through to age 19 would cover this.
Why not?In England there are legal restrictions on what 16 and 17 year olds can do with their time so it isn't fair to require them to pay the full adult fare.
Why not?
They still take the same journey and use a seat?
Alton Towers' adult age is just 12.
Sounds stupid right?
But at 12 years old, the average person is 1.4m high. That is the restriction on the biggest rides, so means 12/13/14/15 year olds can access the same amount of attractions as someone in their 30s or 40s
Doesn't sound so stupid any more.
Same method of thinking should apply with this railcard too.
And nobody forces someone to use the trainNo-one forces people to go to Alton Towers.
People are required to remain in education.
And nobody forces someone to use the train
I’m someone who lives in Scotland who will benefit from the new card. But I think it would be unfair to say Scottish people can’t have it. In many cities across the U.K. people are already deprived of not benefiting from discounted travel if they do not live in that city or surrounding area. For example, as I don’t live in the relevant area I cannot get discounted fares that are available with TfGM on Buses etc since I don’t have an Igo Card, as simply I’m not allowed one!!This will lead to new split ticketing opportunities when travel between England or Wales and Scotland.
Should they only allow this card to be used by people not living in Scotland, given the Young Scot is not available in England and Wales and Scotrail are not participating in this railcard?