TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

[68011]

Days a Nova 3 has completed a full diagram:
August 25/29/30
September 3/4/5/7/8/9/10/13/14/15/16/17/18

Days a Nova 3 didn’t complete a full diagram due to the train:
August 24/26/27*/28*
September 6/19/20/21

*Nova 3 started diagram part way through the day.

Days when the diagram was part cancelled due to ‘shortage of train crew’ I’ve counted as ‘completed’.

If you don't count the diagram as 'completed' because of shortage of train crew do you get 13 days as fully completed?

 

[J-P_L]

Is it still going to be a 185 later or have they dredged up a Mk 5 set from somewhere?

Was 185113 formed from the unit working 1P88 (MBR-MCV) that was terminated at York due to no forward driver.

 

[FFFC 57]

The business end of a 68!

You can understand how difficult it is getting two different manufacturers systems working together properly especially when neither of them helped TPE fully in this matter and so they have had to try and sort the problem themselves.



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Cracking shot. So do you drive these EE Andy B1?

 

[sjpowermac]

If you don't count the diagram as 'completed' because of shortage of train crew do you get 13 days as fully completed?

I have 14.09.2019 and 16.09.2019 as not completed because of shortage of train crew, giving 14 complete ‘completeds’. If I’ve missed something then I’m happy to update

I’ve not gone to the level of splitting where there have been infrastructure problems as on 09.09.2019.

 

[sjpowermac]

Fascinating stuff, thank you for all your summaries, they are very, very interesting. Although its early days, and discounting 68025 as its only worked once, would it be true to say that 68027 and its set has proved to be more reliable that 68026 and its set?

Thank you for that, greatly appreciated

I think that’s a hard one to answer without inside knowledge, but certainly 68027 plus TP09 has been the most commonly used.

I do think it has been an excellent introduction into service and a big ‘well done’ to all involved on the maintenance/technical support side as well as TPE, particularly front line staff. It can’t have been easy with so many of the trains operating as ‘pass out’ runs for drivers and guards. A month of hard work too for those doing the train crew diagrams.

I should stress too that I don’t work for any of the companies and have zero inside knowledge. I suspect the ‘*’ days might have a bit of a story behind them and possibly some of the others too. The information I’ve used paints the ‘worst case’,(that given by ‘Journey Check’), the reality is likely to have been even better.

68027 plus TP09
14 runs

68026 plus TP11
9 runs

68025 plus TP04
1 run

Where a set didn’t complete a full diagram the details are:
68027 plus TP09
24/08/2019
26/08/2019
27/08/2019*
20/09/2019

68026 plus TP11
28/08/2019*
06/09/2019
21/09/2019

68025 plus TP04
19/09/2019

*Nova 3 missed the first part of the diagram but worked later.

 

[Ben Bow]

1E29 caped Man Vic with 68027, believed due to an ETS fault.

 

[samuelmorris]

Speaking of which, I am APPALLED to see that TransPennine Express have retained the same shocking excuse for an announcement voice on the Mark 5s as used on the 185s, and by that I mean the tortuously sarcastic Northern man. Even the depressing woman who used to do it is better than him.

Do you have an example of this? I didn't think it was that bad, certainly better than the depressing voice they used before.

 

[EE Andy b1]

Cracking shot. So do you drive these EE Andy B1?

No not Class 68s just tilting trains at the moment! Until we getting 23 new trains as well.

 

[fowler9]

1E29 caped Man Vic with 68027, believed due to an ETS fault.

Any chance of it being replaced with another Nova 3?

 

[Bertie the bus]

If you don't count the diagram as 'completed' because of shortage of train crew do you get 13 days as fully completed?

They complete the full diagram about 50% of the time? That is terrible. At least TPE had the sense to not introduce them with a fanfare.

 

[FFFC 57]

No not Class 68s just tilting trains at the moment! Until we getting 23 new trains as well.

Ah right. I was trying to do some detective work of where the location was, but i'm stuck.
Any clues?

 

[ash39]

1E29 caped Man Vic with 68027, believed due to an ETS fault.

Becoming a bit of a farce now. Surely TPE need to start considering pulling the sets from service until they get to the bottom of the recurring brake/ETS faults that they keep sitting down with.

Any chance of it being replaced with another Nova 3?

Very unlikely, seeing as only 3 sets are cleared for service and 1 is sat at Scarborough after failing earlier this week, and the other two sets failed yesterday and today respectively!

 

[68011]

Any chance of it being replaced with another Nova 3?

No there's a VSTP gone in for a 5F66 off Ardwick TMD to MCV (185) to work the rest of the diagram.

 

[68011]

Very unlikely, seeing as only 3 sets are cleared for service and 1 is sat at Scarborough after failing earlier this week, and the other two sets failed yesterday and today respectively!

There is no set a Scarborough, It returned to Longsight as posted above.

 

[ash39]

There is no set a Scarborough, It returned to Longsight as posted above.

Apologies, missed that post.

 

[Ben Bow]

Be interesting to see if they are 'brave' enough to put two sets out tomorrow as planned, assuming they that actually have two sets which work of course....

 

[EE Andy b1]

Ah right. I was trying to do some detective work of where the location was, but i'm stuck.
Any clues?

Yep, I took the photo.
East coast, seaside town!

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Cleethorpes!!!

XD

Or was it Redcar?...

 

[sjpowermac]

The Nova 3 sets ran without problems on September 7/8/9/10/13/14/15/16/17/18 (11/12 were booked days off).

That gives 10 days, or more impressively
7665 miles of running with the Nova 3 sets where there were zero cancellations due to the train. I think that’s actually something for all concerned to be pretty pleased with at such an early stage in the introduction

Those were not easy diagrams either, with 855 miles being the order of the day for the turn that starts with 5E23.

The problems in recent days do seem a bit odd after such a good period, but I’m sure things will get there.

Best wishes to all for the successful introduction of the second diagram this week

 

[ash39]

7,000 miles without a failure isn't anything to shout about.

LNER's HST fleet, even at around 40 years old and doing huge diagrams with way more mileage than the TPE diagram still regularly achieve double that figure in the annual golden spanner awards.

I realise these are new trains and teething issues are inevitable but regularly not completing diagrams is not good enough.

Obviously as these trains have a loco on one end, they get special dispensation from people on here. It's particularly amusing when you compare it to the 80X fleets, which got slated to death on here every time one sat down in service. Yet their introduction on LNER has been almost faultless.

I appreciate LNER and Hitachi had the benefit of learnt lessons from the GwR rollout, but it's still a valid comparison and it'll be very interesting to see how TPE get on with theirs when they enter service in the coming months.

 

[68011]

Days a Nova 3 has completed a full diagram:
August 25/29/30
September 3/4/5/7/8/9/10/13/14/15/16/17/18

Days a Nova 3 didn’t complete a full diagram due to the train:
August 24/26/27*/28*
September 6/19/20/21

*Nova 3 started diagram part way through the day.

Days when the diagram was part cancelled due to ‘shortage of train crew’ I’ve counted as ‘completed’.

One update...
Thursday 29th August - 1F48 was cancelled and 1E25 started from Man Vic, ecs ex Longsight

 

[ashkeba]

7,000 miles without a failure isn't anything to shout about.

LNER's HST fleet, even at around 40 years old and doing huge diagrams with way more mileage than the TPE diagram still regularly achieve double that figure in the annual golden spanner awards.

I realise these are new trains and teething issues are inevitable but regularly not completing diagrams is not good enough.

Obviously as these trains have a loco on one end, they get special dispensation from people on here. It's particularly amusing when you compare it to the 80X fleets, which got slated to death on here every time one sat down in service. Yet their introduction on LNER has been almost faultless.

I appreciate LNER and Hitachi had the benefit of learnt lessons from the GwR rollout, but it's still a valid comparison and it'll be very interesting to see how TPE get on with theirs when they enter service in the coming months.

If it's a valid comparison, where was the equivalent of the GWR rollout of mark5s for tpe to learn from?

And what was the hst reliability figure in their first months of operation?

 

[JonathanH]

Looks like 5E23 from Ardwick and 5F48 from Longsight this morning so Mk5s on the latter diagram starting with 0555 Manchester Victoria to Liverpool Lime Street and a 185 on the diagram starting 0556 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

No Mk5 running today. Diagram covered by a 185

 

[LittleAH]

Really? Could’ve sworn ones just passed through Greenfield.

 

[68011]

Really? Could’ve sworn ones just passed through Greenfield.

68025/TP04 working 1E25

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Conflicting internal emails unless there were indeed supposed to be two diagrams but one had been dropped...

Nova 3 diagram

The Nova 3 will not be in service today. The diagram will be covered by 185104.

Nova 3 diagram

The Nova 3 will be in service for the following services

1F48 0555 MCV-LIV
1E25 0656 LIV-SCA
1F62 1041 SCA-LIV
1E39 1356 LIV-SCA
1F76 1744 SCA-LIV
1J53 2056 LIV-SCA

 

[68011]

Conflicting internal emails unless there were indeed supposed to be two diagrams but one had been dropped...

There are supposed to be 2 diagrams from today and that second email is still wrong as 1J53 runs to Stalybridge not Scarborough.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Well spotted...

 

[FFFC 57]

Why is this train still in Leeds https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y80653/2019/09/23/advanced