TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

sjpowermac · 22 Mar 2019

neilboo said:
I was under the impression that the sets needed 2,000 fault-free miles before being acceptable to TPE.

I’m happy to be corrected but I think an earlier post stated 4500 miles for the initial set.

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Ben Bow · 22 Mar 2019

Yes - 4500 miles for the first two sets, 1500 miles for subsequent sets, however where that info came from, and whether it was accurate then/still applicable now, has been lost in the midst of time. Interestingly, it seems its not running today, having covered around 2000 miles this week. We shall await developments with interest.....

Wotstadoo · 22 Mar 2019

Latest on the new Train Servicing Depot in Scarborough courtesy of Yorkshire Coast Radio :

43096 · 22 Mar 2019

Bletchleyite said:
loks

When did this become a German language forum?!

sjpowermac · 23 Mar 2019

Lots of paths in for TransPennine Nova 3 fun next week

dilbertphil · 23 Mar 2019

0P68 on Monday is to swap the locos over at Scarborough.

Kieran1990 · 23 Mar 2019

sjpowermac said:
Lots of paths in for TransPennine Nova 3 fun next week

Diagram 1
Mon-Thurs
15:45 MID-Scarborough
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01309/2019/03/25/advanced

21:35 Scarborough-Marsden
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01310/2019/03/25/advanced

Tue-Fri
00:52 Marsden-Leeds
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01311/2019/03/26/advanced

02:05 Leeds-MID
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01312/2019/03/26/advanced

Diagram 2
Mon and Tue
21:23 MID-Liverpool Lime Street
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01301/2019/03/25/advanced

22:52 Liverpool Lime Street-York
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01307/2019/03/25/advanced

Tue and Weds
02:05 York-Liverpool Lime Street
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01308/2019/03/26/advanced

06:00 Liverpool Lime Street-MID
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01303/2019/03/26/advanced

In addition, on Monday there’s a light locomotive trip:

0P68 05:10 Longsight-Scarborough
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N51799/2019/03/25/advanced

0M68 10:10 Scarborough-Longsight
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N51798/2019/03/25/advanced

If anyone can confirm the actual plan against the booked paths, that would be greatly appreciated

Looks to me like they are completing platform checks with the 2 takes that’ll be out. The two diagrams see them cover stops at all TPE served stations on the North TPE route.
Seems like they are really starting to drum up for launch into service.

Ben Bow · 23 Mar 2019

Scarborough route, but nothing north of York to Middlesbrough. Still great news though.

Greybeard33 · 23 Mar 2019

Ben Bow said:
Scarborough route, but nothing north of York to Middlesbrough. Still great news though.

The May timetable continues the current interworking of Middlesbrough and Newcastle stock at Manchester Airport, to enable 40 minute turnarounds. TPE has said that the Nova 3s will not work Newcastle services. This implies that they will be restricted to the Scarborough route until the December timetable change.

sjpowermac · 23 Mar 2019

Greybeard33 said:
The May timetable continues the current interworking of Middlesbrough and Newcastle stock at Manchester Airport, to enable 40 minute turnarounds. TPE has said that the Nova 3s will not work Newcastle services. This implies that they will be restricted to the Scarborough route until the December timetable change.

Do the Man Airport crews and Man Picc drivers work the Liverpool to Scarborough turns? Genuine question, in light of the post below:

BMIFlyer said:
Initial plan is to train enough Airport crews on the sets (and Picc drivers) to get 2 sets into service on day 1.

I’m guessing too that some test trips to Middlesbrough will follow to test things like Automatic Selective Door Operation.

sjpowermac · 23 Mar 2019

dilbertphil said:
0P68 on Monday is to swap the locos over at Scarborough.

Thank you for that, appreciated. Looks like bye, bye Felix

sjpowermac · 23 Mar 2019

Ben Bow said:
Scarborough route, but nothing north of York to Middlesbrough. Still great news though.

I thought exactly the same. Again I hope the forum has plenty of server space for all the pics

Bornin1980s · 23 Mar 2019

Greybeard33 said:
The May timetable continues the current interworking of Middlesbrough and Newcastle stock at Manchester Airport, to enable 40 minute turnarounds. TPE has said that the Nova 3s will not work Newcastle services. This implies that they will be restricted to the Scarborough route until the December timetable change.

If that's true, why in the name of Dr Richard Beeching did they order different stock for those routes? I was looking forward to seeing the new trains in my area. Thought I would see them last December. Now it's next December, or maybe the December after that.

superkev · 23 Mar 2019

Bornin1980s said:
If that's true, why in the name of Dr Richard Beeching did they order different stock for those routes? I was looking forward to seeing the new trains in my area. Thought I would see them last December. Now it's next December, or maybe the December after that.

The p51 ww2 mustang aircraft took just 120days from order to first flight. Good job the current train industry and safety people went around then or we have lost the war.
K

Darandio · 23 Mar 2019

superkev said:
The p51 ww2 mustang aircraft took just 120days from order to first flight. Good job the current train industry and safety people went around then or we have lost the war.
K

A fairly ridiclous comparison really. Unless your plan would be to stop making everything else in the country and change all factories over to train production?

Bornin1980s · 23 Mar 2019

superkev said:
The p51 ww2 mustang aircraft took just 120days from order to first flight. Good job the current train industry and safety people went around then or we have lost the war.
K

I'm sure these things could be commissioned much faster if required for war work, but they won't be as comfortable.

Greybeard33 · 23 Mar 2019

Bornin1980s said:
If that's true, why in the name of Dr Richard Beeching did they order different stock for those routes? I was looking forward to seeing the new trains in my area. Thought I would see them last December. Now it's next December, or maybe the December after that.

TPE planned to work the Middlesbrough - Airport and Newcastle - Airport routes independently, with turnarounds of just 10 minutes at the Airport. But that timetable caused chaos when introduced last May, so they were forced to change it to the present bodge in December. I do not know what the long term solution will be. The Airport station does not have enough platform capacity for the new, longer trains to sit around for 40 minutes, let alone 70 minutes.

Jonny · 23 Mar 2019

Greybeard33 said:
TPE planned to work the Middlesbrough - Airport and Newcastle - Airport routes independently, with turnarounds of just 10 minutes at the Airport. But that timetable caused chaos when introduced last May, so they were forced to change it to the present bodge in December. I do not know what the long term solution will be. The Airport station does not have enough platform capacity for the new, longer trains to sit around for 40 minutes, let alone 70 minutes.

The extended turnarounds do little to help in cases where the service loses time while heading away from the Airport. The only viable longer-term solution, at least for the Newcastle services, would be an extended turnaround at Newcastle.

Greybeard33 · 23 Mar 2019

Jonny said:
The extended turnarounds do little to help in cases where the service loses time while heading away from the Airport. The only viable longer-term solution, at least for the Newcastle services, would be an extended turnaround at Newcastle.

RTT indicates that the Newcastle turnarounds of the Airport services are planned to become an hour longer from the May timetable change.

Jonny · 23 Mar 2019

Greybeard33 said:
RTT indicates that the Newcastle turnarounds of the Airport services are planned to become an hour longer from the May timetable change.

That's what I was wondering as well, I wonder if that depends on having more trains available than at present...

Bornin1980s · 24 Mar 2019

They should at least test the new trains to Middlesbrough.

Spartacus · 24 Mar 2019

superkev said:
The p51 ww2 mustang aircraft took just 120days from order to first flight. Good job the current train industry and safety people went around then or we have lost the war.
K

Then after first flight in October 1940 made it's combat debut in May 1942, unsuitable for combat above 15,000ft.

squizzler · 24 Mar 2019

superkev said:
The p51 ww2 mustang aircraft took just 120days from order to first flight. Good job the current train industry and safety people went around then or we have lost the war.
K

Unlike the AT300, they didn't have to integrate a Japanese airframe, German engines and assembly in an Italian factory. I can't imagine why that would be...

It often used to be pointed out in these forums how backwards train development is in all areas by comparison with civil aircraft. I suspect that will go out the window as the Boeing 737 MAX flaws come to light.

Spartacus · 24 Mar 2019

squizzler said:
Unlike the AT300, they didn't have to integrate a Japanese airframe, German engines and assembly in an Italian factory. I can't imagine why that would be...

Add having to wait for the P-51B fitted with a Packard Merlin and it would be 3 years between first flight and producing an effective operational fighter, then it would take until 1944 for the P-51D to be produced, by far thye most numerous model.

ainsworth74 · 24 Mar 2019

I do enjoy a bit of aviation history but I do fear that we're wandering a touch off-topic in this P-51 discussion! Perhaps we could go back the Mk5s?

sjpowermac · 24 Mar 2019

Mods, please feel free to delete if the following isn’t appropriate for the ‘Mustang Progress’ thread

Class 68 Yorkshire roundup:

York station platform 2
68020 ‘Reliance’

York Siemens Depot
68029
68021 ‘Tireless’

Scarborough station platform 4
68031 ‘Felix’

With 0P68/0M68 running from/to Manchester tomorrow, there will likely be some switching around!

Fez14 · 24 Mar 2019

OK, with all 3 of Transpennine expresses' 3 new fleets under test on UK rails, which will be the first to carry passengers?

sprinterguy · 24 Mar 2019

Kieran1990 said:
Looks to me like they are completing platform checks with the 2 takes that’ll be out. The two diagrams see them cover stops at all TPE served stations on the North TPE route.
Seems like they are really starting to drum up for launch into service.

Greybeard33 said:
The May timetable continues the current interworking of Middlesbrough and Newcastle stock at Manchester Airport, to enable 40 minute turnarounds. TPE has said that the Nova 3s will not work Newcastle services. This implies that they will be restricted to the Scarborough route until the December timetable change.

Probably jumping the gun a bit, but out of idle curiosity does anybody know if these first two passenger diagrams will be the same as those that were proposed for the mark 3 sets that never came to fruition?

Would make sense if TPE wish to keep them focused on the Manchester end of the route for maintenance purposes if faults arise in service and until the new Scarborough stabling facility is ready.

Darandio · 24 Mar 2019

Bornin1980s said:
If that's true, why in the name of Dr Richard Beeching did they order different stock for those routes? I was looking forward to seeing the new trains in my area. Thought I would see them last December. Now it's next December, or maybe the December after that.

Bornin1980s said:
They should at least test the new trains to Middlesbrough.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. Is it that they should change the testing regime around just you can see them up here?

Solent&Wessex · 24 Mar 2019

sprinterguy said:
Probably jumping the gun a bit, but out of idle curiosity does anybody know if these first two passenger diagrams will be the same as those that were proposed for the mark 3 sets that never came to fruition?

Unless anything changes, then yes, I believe so.

sjpowermac said:
Do the Man Airport crews and Man Picc drivers work the Liverpool to Scarborough turns? Genuine question, in light of the post below:

Yes

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